Killed Over Car Sticker

[Mr Lee]

:( :thumbsup: If arguing over a car sticker can get a local killed, I would say that it sure does not pay for any of us to argue over many things that annoy us, do you? This is surely yet another case of poorly trained guards and maybe even about a face issue, why else would someone kill a resident over a darn sticker. :oIs a car pass for entry in one’s own neighborhood worth losing a life?A 39-year-old woman was killed after an argument with subdivision security guards in Lapu-Lapu City who refused to open the gate to let her car enter because it didn't have a homeowner’s sticker.Rose Ann La Paz, a resident of Grand Pacific Villa Subdivision, was fatally shot in the chest with the guard's shotgun, allegedly fired by an employee who was present in the confrontation on Friday evening.Police are looking for Randy Emborong, a staff collector of the Grand Pacific Villa Subdivision management.The upscale neighborhood hosts Mediterranean-style houses in sitio Suba-Masulog in barangay Basak, Lapu-Lapu City.Link

[Bruce]

Well for me it was all the guards. We have similar issues here in the US with hiring STUPID, wait, maybe that is too strong... how about MORONS for guard jobs. Many of which have some sort of 'little man' complex and they actually think they are in charge! There is a huge difference in guards watching / stopping intruders from stealing residents possessions and those same guards harrassing residents..... because they can! Obviously the guard knew her and knew she lived there. Any car issues can / should be dealt with by the management association. Not some STUPID guard being paid chump money because he is not qualified for a real job... say selling shoes or pizza in the mall.So now not only is there a dead woman, but also at least 2 STUPID guards out running from the police and their families now have to deal with the loss of their income and legal / court fees. Hey guards! Was it worth it.... Yeah.. YOU sure showed her, didn't you..... Hope the dead woman's family gets to say such things to their faces.... In the US, there would be a huge law suit against the management company and guard company (if there is one) for what is know as 'negligent hiring' for hiring MORONS that have now comitted murder and have put other residents in jeopardy. Similar to hiring sex offenders for working in a day care center. I have always been amazed at the huge potential liability that is just ONE stupid decision away... and the person making that decision, is in the US, paid minimum wage and in the Philippines may be 300p a day.In the US, about 1973-74, we had a president named Nixon. He and his close friends cooked up a plan to have the friends supervise a burglary of the offices of the democratic leaders for gaining information in the up coming election. The burglars used simple tape to secure a lock on a door from locking behind them. A SECURITY GUARD came by saw the tape and..... removed it and then kept walking.... He came back later and saw more tape, he then called the police and several people were arrested and went to prison and Nixon was being removed from office so he resigned.....At first glance, this lowly security guard did a really big thing. Because of him (!) several people were caught and the president of the US resigned from office.But taking a closer look.... this moron of a security guard, removed the tape the 1st time and just walked off. If the burglars had not re taped the door lock, they would not have been been caught, history would have been changed. Also this same security guard ended up loosing his job (remember he was a moron anyway) and got caught shop lifting and then later comitted suicide.So while you think he was a great guy...... in looking at the bigger picture, he was a security guard, because THAT was the top job he could do. A hospital has doctors and nurses.... and a cleaning crew who empties the trash everyday and cleans the floor. A doctor or a nurse can also empty the trash cans and clean the floor. But a cleaning man is a cleaning man and he can't do what the doctors and nurses do and if he tries, a disaster will happen.Guards who work in these jobs dealing with residents of a building.... residents they know... should NOT be allowed to do anything more than call someone in management to make any decisions about what a resident can or can not do. If that one call had of been made, that woman, a lawfull owner entering property she had the right to enter, would not be dead. This is not about a car decal at all. It is about 3 petty guards thinking they have the right to block access to a homeowner instead of just calling management to come and deal with (now or tomorrow) the woman and her car.

Edited January 7, 2012 by Bruce

[Jollygoodfellow]

Well Bruce I think its more to do with ones temper,the guard lost it and fired his gun.Most likely did not even think about it but in a state of rage blasted her. Professional people do stupid things too and I really dont think anyone should judge a person because of their type of job unless they are sure they are better than anyone else.

[Bruce]

Well Bruce I think its more to do with ones temper,the guard lost it and fired his gun.Most likely did not even think about it but in a state of rage blasted her. Professional people do stupid things too and I really dont think anyone should judge a person because of their type of job unless they are sure they are better than anyone else.

Not a question of 'better' but more of finding and respecting a 'level' of your life. Not a cast system as in India, but more of your parents saying TOM! I expected MORE from you, YOU weren't raised like that! Well these guards were raised in a way that rum and guns and getting paid 300p a day was a great life....While it is quite true that professional people can also do stupid things, it is reasonable to assume that professional people have a greater understanding and one would hope, a greater level of coping and decison making than lower levels. They should 'know better'. If you go out looking for a janitor's job... do not expect to be offered a sales or assistant manager's job. Look for a lawn maintenance job... find a lawn maintenance job. I have a friend who has a lawn maintencance company. He has different levels of employees. Mexicans are the best workers but are unable to make changes. Same for his Haitian workers. Cut the grass.. sure.. but if a customer wants something else, they are lost until told how to do it, and they can't tell time or stick to a schedule soooo they CUT LAWNS for a living! . His white workers all have crack issues and arrest issues and wife beating issues.. But they can make some decisions with out having a full blown brain fart. And they are lawn maintenence workers. A security guard job is a step up for any of them.Here in the US, there are some older people that have retired and then get a part time security guard job. They often don't last because they are overwelmed at the LACK of ability of their younger coworkers. Stupid people make stupid decisions.From a parent's view.... hearing "Would you like fries with that or 'would you like to super size that'..... out of mouth of their 31yr old child is heart breaking..... 31 years ago THIS bump on a log was supposed to be a doctor......I worked at McDonalds (McDo) when I was 15. I learned a lot and moved on and up. Today, I go to McDonalds and see cash registers with NO NUMBERS just little pics of hamburgers or fires or a coke. Why? Because the basic entry level work force labor pool in America is WAY dumbed down! They can't read well or add. Want to have some fun? Let your bill come to $10.53 and give them a $20 dollar bill and 3 cents....... They go into vapor lock trying to figure out the change... AFTER they try to explain to YOU that you gave them too much money! As for the security guards... Many are police rejects. Can't pass the shoe tying test. Many have control issues.... and 'we' give them a gun and expect them to guard a gate.. BUT they are not able to understand the difference between stopping a thief or stopping entry of a person who has not been invited, and a lawful resident who has a dispute about a car decal! Their answer is to KILL her?Like Mr. Gump says "Stupid is as stupid does". A wife and mother were killed by the very people hired to protect her and her property! Why? Because the management hired the wrong people and did not give clear cut orders.It might not be politically correct, but if anyone at a management or higher level in life actually thinks lawn workers or security guards are able to function at a higher level.... well who is fooling who now? Edited January 8, 2012 by Bruce

[Jollygoodfellow]

It might not be politically correct, but if anyone at a management or higher level in life actually thinks lawn workers or security guards are able to function at a higher level.... well who is fooling who now?

Well I've been in management positions, owned my own business for about 5 years, had two businesses running at the same time once.So where do I fit in the "function level" as these days I do traffic control and some security.Are you saying I'm dumb because I no longer are in management ?I am at the low level because of my job but then again I can do a lot more on a computer than many at a higher level who work as say a nurse or something.Is there a snob attitude detected here where those whose job is at the lower level in some peoples minds are not as superior.

[Bruce]

It might not be politically correct, but if anyone at a management or higher level in life actually thinks lawn workers or security guards are able to function at a higher level.... well who is fooling who now?

Well I've been in management positions, owned my own business for about 5 years, had two businesses running at the same time once.So where do I fit in the "function level" as these days I do traffic control and some security.Are you saying I'm dumb because I no longer are in management ?I am at the low level because of my job but then again I can do a lot more on a computer than many at a higher level who work as say a nurse or something.Is there a snob attitude detected here where those whose job is at the lower level in some peoples minds are not as superior.

The list you made of your accomplishments says that you can see the bigger picture, have goals other than working 9-5 and then getting drunk at 'drinking sessions'. And you wear different hats doing different jobs. What are the chances of these security guards doing 1/4 as much? There are many many posts about violent things while the guard is in the CR... inside jobs done by the guard and that same guard is the point of many negative comments on the forum. Why? Because every stereotype is based on 'some truth'. Post or reply under many heading support the limit of that guard (one busy bugger!)Not that I am so much better... but that I reconize his limits and am not afraid to say it. If those 3 guards were able to hold a higher level of responsibility... they would. But they can't. And again.... I can't stress this enough.... a mother and a wife was killed due to 3 guards not being able to think their way thru a simple situation. It could be your wife or mine! I expect violence directed at me from a criminal.... not from a person trusted and paid to keep the criminals out and able to understand the difference between an intruding criminal and a homeowner who has a legal right to enter, decal or no decal.No matter how mad you have been in the past.... how many people have you shot? Anger is human in nature. But to simply end it with a gun shot rather than call the supervisor / manager... will that is how animals deal with things. What did the guards gain???? Nothing but to destroy their own lives, disrupt their families lives and kill a woman because she challanged their pseudo authority...If I am going to shoot someone... it will be a supportable action. Not simply because I did not like them. Edited January 8, 2012 by Bruce

[Jollygoodfellow]

What you may not know that some of these guards hold more degrees than the CEO of whatever. In case you have not seen it,there is high unemployment in the Philippines, people with nursing degrees are working at Jollibies. A security guard might be doing that job because there are mouths to feed. Yes in any job some are not suited or maybe lack intelligence but that's not just at the lower end of the working person chain.

[Old55]

We don't know the whole story.We do know that Filipino's don't deal with heated disagreements, mix in class warfare perhaps a long standing grudge and guns. Rule of thumb in Philippines.... Be kind to people with guns.

[usaborn]

Lets understand some of the back round details of Randy C. Emborong.During the third week in December Randy Emborong enlisted the maintenance staff at Pacific Grand Villas to go door to door for the purpose of raising donations to help some of his family in Mindanao who were reported missing due to the floods. Randy was never apart of the effort and never gave a personal explanation to any of the homeowners or home renters that made contributions for his family. I know that the contribution by mid-morning had exceeded 10,000 php. Randy was absent for a week or so during Christmas presumably with family in Mindanao. When Randy returned to work after Christmas, he never acknowledged in any way in the form of a thank you for the help to anyone in PGV that made contribution.To this day I don't know if my contribution was for personal gain or the help someone left dead or missing in the flood that really needed it because, Randy spook not a word about the results of contributions. Not a single thank you!My point is that this is how he decided to repaid the community that tried to help him and his family. (if we can believe him)He decided that a sticker would determine the value of family, community and ultimately an innocence woman's life.He's just a murderous thug!

[usaborn]

Lets understand some of the back round details of Randy C. Emborong.During the third week in December Randy Emborong enlisted the maintenance staff at Pacific Grand Villas to go door to door for the purpose of raising donations to help some of his family in Mindanao who were reported missing due to the floods. Randy was never apart of the effort and never gave a personal explanation to any of the homeowners or home renters that made contributions for his family. I know that the contribution by mid-morning had exceeded 10,000 php.Randy was absent for a week or so during Christmas presumably with family in Mindanao.When Randy returned to work after Christmas, he never acknowledged in any way in the form of a thank you for the help to anyone in PGV that made contribution.To this day I don't know if my contribution was for personal gain or the help someone left dead or missing in the flood that really needed it because, Randy spook not a word about the results of contributions. Not a single thank you!My point is that this is how he decided to repaid the community that tried to help him and his family. (if we can believe him)He decided that a sticker would determine the value of family, community and ultimately an innocence woman's life.He's just a murderous thug!

Could you explain if this post is related to the topic as I am confused?

Lets understand some of the back round details of Randy C. Emborong.During the third week in December Randy Emborong enlisted the maintenance staff at Pacific Grand Villas to go door to door for the purpose of raising donations to help some of his family in Mindanao who were reported missing due to the floods. Randy was never apart of the effort and never gave a personal explanation to any of the homeowners or home renters that made contributions for his family. I know that the contribution by mid-morning had exceeded 10,000 php.Randy was absent for a week or so during Christmas presumably with family in Mindanao.When Randy returned to work after Christmas, he never acknowledged in any way in the form of a thank you for the help to anyone in PGV that made contribution.To this day I don't know if my contribution was for personal gain or the help someone left dead or missing in the flood that really needed it because, Randy spook not a word about the results of contributions. Not a single thank you!My point is that this is how he decided to repaid the community that tried to help him and his family. (if we can believe him)He decided that a sticker would determine the value of family, community and ultimately an innocence woman's life.He's just a murderous thug!

Could you explain if this post is related to the topic as I am confused?

Two weeks prior Randy(the shooter) was asking for financial help via the Pacific Grand Villas Maintenance staff from the community ... it was given to him. Three weeks later he chooses to kills a woman over a 200-300 php vehicle sticker. That is how he repays the community that helped him earlier.