Filipino Family Planing, Monetary Incentive?

[billten]

Canada, Australia, Russia, all pay a buntis bonus.

Yes but all these places have HUGE areas of unused land and are trying hard to build their population and as a consequence their economies. Canada uses immigration and encourages having kids, but they also make sure that said immigrants (or the kids of the immigrants anyhow) and the kids are well educated and have a better than even chance to become a valuable member of the society.Here the opposite is true, the more kids there are, the less there is to go around, it just seems that this economy has no chance of growing at the pace of the population.

[Jack Peterson]

Canada, Australia, Russia, all pay a buntis bonus.

Yes but all these places have HUGE areas of unused land and are trying hard to build their population and as a consequence their economies. Canada uses immigration and encourages having kids, but they also make sure that said immigrants (or the kids of the immigrants anyhow) and the kids are well educated and have a better than even chance to become a valuable member of the society.Here the opposite is true, the more kids there are, the less there is to go around, it just seems that this economy has no chance of growing at the pace of the population.

Can you remember back as far as the late 60's and 70's The UK built the New Towns, (Crawley, Milton-Keynes and Harlow to name 3) Do this here and think of the Economy in Return, Jobs (construction) Shops, (Taxes) Or have got my Head somewhere the sun Don't Shine :hystery: It's Monday OK!Jack P. :lol:

[Call me bubba]

Here is the opposing view to this topic. What happens when 'family planning' appears to work?In Canada, in 2006, 1/5 of all Canadians were direct immigrants. That is they were not born in Canada. The population of immigrants is growing at about 1/4 million new ones a year. 'Old school' Canadians do family planning so the immigrant population is growing 4 times as fast as the Canadian born population. Only about 20% of these immigrants are from other first world countries.Try your own research and do your own math and then figure out how long before the voting age citizens coming from 3rd world countries have the majority of votes. Then try to convince yourself what a good deal family planning was in your country.Two of my sources are below but there is lots more info you will need to search for.http://www.cic.gc.ca.../2011-02-13.asphttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7128172.stm

Please forgive me if my statement may offend it is not intended to be,When I lived in SPAIN, the majority of all births was NOT from the NATIVE or white population but from theImmigrants,when i spoke with a few Germans& British The same statement,Just recently when I have looked at US Online birth records, it appears that the same is happening there too. the WHITE or native population is just not "producing " as others..(immigrants)In Spain it Was common to have "large" families under the Franco and early 1980's, BUT this changedwhen (native) women were (are) encouraged to attend Higher education, they devote the time to studies and their career .not 'childbearing " duties.

[Dave Hounddriver]

the majority of all births was NOT from the NATIVE or white population but from the Immigrants,

And that is the whole point, for me. When the resident population practices family planning and the immigrant population do not, it will not take long for the country to be run, (majority rules), by the immigrants.Thus instead of telling the 3rd world people to cut down on the number of children, the 1st world governments are paying their citizens 'baby bonuses' to help support having kids. Perhaps the 3rd world people know there is strength in numbers and they plan to populate their way into world dominance. Some countries try to buy their way into world dominance, some try militarily, some try with fancy speeches but having a chit load of kids is an interesting way of doing it too.

[Mike S]

When the resident population practices family planning and the immigrant population do not, it will not take long for the country to be run, (majority rules), by the immigrants.

Your right Dave ...... and in the next few years the US is going to find out just how true the statement is that the people now pouring into the US from everywhere ..... especially those that go there right before the baby drops and as soon as it does they are considered a US Citizen with full rights and privileges ..... and pretty soon you have a voting population that totally foreign ..... but hey that is ONE reason I chose to move out of the country .....

[sonjack2847]

If somebody offered me cash I would have used birth control, Because crossing your fingers does not work.

Crossing your legs does. :)

I thought that was supposed to be her!

[Higg-num]

When the resident population practices family planning and the immigrant population do not, it will not take long for the country to be run, (majority rules), by the immigrants.

Your right Dave ...... and in the next few years the US is going to find out just how true the statement is that the people now pouring into the US from everywhere ..... especially those that go there right before the baby drops and as soon as it does they are considered a US Citizen with full rights and privileges ..... and pretty soon you have a voting population that totally foreign ..... but hey that is ONE reason I chose to move out of the country .....

Our U.S. Government is a good example of the ultimate hypocrisy; They are selective about the laws they enforce. A person is NOT a citizen by merely having a baby inside our borders. The Constitution is very plain on this. ONE or BOTH parents MUST be a lawful American citizen ALREADY !My question is...ARE the ( Traditional value ) AMERICAN people going to wake-up before it is too late ?????? We are in a culture war. This is certainly a different country than what it was 30 years ago. I see a polarization between the populace here getting broader & broader.This country is still " The greatest Nation on earth ".

[Old55]

Interesting ideas guys but let us please get back on topic. Please feel free to open another topic for these thoughts if you wish to continue. :)

[Call me bubba]

Overpopulation in Philippines is reaching the tipping point. Many of the newborn today are from couples (many unmarried) who are unable to support them.Would some kind of monetary incentive be an effective way to reduce the birthrate?

I have (in years past) to help my partners extended family, IF and IF they prcatice some kind of RESPONSIBLE FAMILY PLANNING. when they have some kind of plan made I will be more than HAPPY to help them.

TO THIS DATE, my assistance to the WHOLE CLAN (family)

is under $150 (7000phps) a year,

usually its Food stuffs , clothing for the younger childern. or medicatons

If they dont want to help themselves ,to have a better life.Then I cant and will not help them,

Edited August 30, 2012 by Call me Bubba

[Thomas]

Overpopulation in Philippines is reaching the tipping point. Many of the newborn today are from couples (many unmarried) who are unable to support them.Would some kind of monetary incentive be an effective way to reduce the birthrate?

As influental as money is here, unfortunately, the Catholic Church is more influental. If left to them, the RP will be 200 million and counting.

Yes.

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Don't forget one thing, guys. Western countries had similar problem back when we were at the living standard level most Filipins are now, Back when there were no retirement pay, and many children died, then people kind of had to get many children to be sure there would be enough left to support them when the parents got old.

Extra complicated to solve in Catholic countries where the church is strong, because they are against all birth controls. (Except the church support "birth control" by teaching about "safe periods".)

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We can't expect poor people agree to not get any child/children at all, because it's natural most people want to reproduce, but if would be nice if they stop at around 2 per couple.

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An extra complication is the Philippine government don't "hunt" the Filipin men, who just leave and skip paying anything to their children even if they are married!

(Such leavings happens in Sweden too, but then the government have a system trying to get money from such men e g by force taking money from their pay checks, if they don't pay volontaringly. (From such women too, if they leave.)

Easier for men to just make children, if they can leave without having to try to take even any economic responsibility for them...