Jake Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 May I suggest that it be done in Philippine Pesos? This way, it is the actual primary cost of living here and all one has to do is divide the peso figure by their respective exchange rate for their currency and voila. Just a suggestion. Thank you Steve! I have edited the original post to include the conversion factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildiver Posted May 16, 2012 Author Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) ALL AMOUNTS ARE IN PHILIPPINE PESOS While this is probably one of the most commonly asked questions on moving to the Philippines it is also one of the easiest to answer. Some of the considerations are: How Many: Single, Couple or Family Where: City or Provincial Town Aside from influences such as a relationship, job, health needs, interests, etc. your budget is certainly a very important if not the major factor in where and how you live. There are many individuals living on less than 42,000 a month and some I hear living on 21,000 (personally never met anyone here doing this) while others live without any regard for budget. For the purpose of this article I will first focus on the actual expenses and costs people will encounter living in both urban and suburban areas. Second, I conducted a survey of people living in various areas and will show what their actual expenses are as they relayed them to me. Whether you are single, a couple or have a family there are basically three types of places expats tend to live. In a major city like Manila, in a Provincial City like Davao or Cebu or a Provincial Town or Small City like Dumaguete, Bacolod or Iloilo. Of course there are some that live in the middle of nowhere and mostly off the grid. We hear about these folks but rarely if ever see them (but they do exist). However, we won’t address that demographic for this study. After conducting the survey, I found there was not a tremendous deviation in expenses from one living area to another EXCEPT for Housing Costs and for those with children, a Private School Education. Housing Costs was a major expense variable and was especially relevant to those living in a city like Manila where rent can be at least two to three times as much as anywhere else. This impacted overall expenses by 42,250 - 126,000 plus. There are of course many expats that own their own housing so we will show that cost but, we will also show the rent they would be paying in the same building for the benefit of those that won’t be buying and only renting. For those families sending their children to International Private Schools in the Manila area would be shocked to learn that tuition averages 420,000p annually and can go up to 840,000 after all fees. MONTHLY EXPENSE BREAKDOWN Housing – This obviously depends on the kind and size of the place you will stay. Following is based on a central location close to Shopping, Schools and Hospitals. Major City One Bed - 25,200 – 126,000 Two Bed - 42,000 - 126,000 Small House (1-2 BR) - 42,000 - 126,000 Large House (4 BR) - 168,000 - 420,000 Provincial City One Bed - 12,600 - 84,000 Two Bed - 21,000 - 42,000 Small House (1-2 BR) - 21,000 - 42,000 Large House (4 BR) - 42,000 – 84,000 Provincial Town One Bed - 8,400 average Two Bed - 12,600 average Small House (1-2 BR) -16,800 – 25,200 Large House (4 BR) - 21,00 – 84,000 Internet – Most of the providers are fairly competitive in pricing. Generally you will pay more for higher bandwidth but figure on spending for all carriers about 1,302 for up to 2mbps. 4200 for up to 10mbps monthly Cable –Like Internet, provider pricing is competitive so for all the channels figure on about 1,050 monthly. There are specialty packages available that can push the pricing up Schools – 4200 - 8400 monthly for a Private School based on ten months when you factor in all fees. Following are Annual Tuitions for Pre-School through High School for some of the Best Schools in the Philippines. Most of these schools are non-sectarian. The Schools in the Provinces tend to be lowest in Tuition and Fees. British – Manila - 268,380 – 701,274 Chinese – Manila – 203,784 – 377,748 Brent – Manila - 237,342 – 684,474 Ateneo – Province - 46,536 – 64,050 Kings – Manila - 361,326 – 738,066 Singapore – Province - 76,314 – 139,146 Electricity – is very expensive in the Philippines. The price is a whopping 10.5 cents per KWh. Depending on residence size, monthly bills can range between 2100 for a small apartment to well over 21,000 and higher for a larger house and that is by not using the Air Con 24/7 but only when at home and in occupied rooms. I made the mistake a little while back of running my air con most of the time (even when we were out) and found our bill was more than twice our 21,000 monthly house rental cost. Ouch!!! Manual Labor – Almost any skilled labor needs you may have (plumbing, electrical & carpentry) will run between 336 - 504 (plus materials) for the job assuming it can be done the same day. Anything longer will require some discussion. Help – This also depends on where you live (Major City versus Provincial Town) but will range as follows: Helper – 1,680 – 2,940 Yaya (Nanny) – 1,680 – 3,570 Driver - 4,200 – 126,00 Gardener – 2,100 – 4,200 Gasoline - 214.20 a gallon. Fortunately, in the Provincial Cities and Towns the distances are not that great and fuel consumption not that drastic. Remember most Expats are retired and use their vehicles mostly to go shopping, on trips or taking their children to school. Many opt for Public Transportation. Public Transportation – Taxi – 40 Drop and 3.36 per km Jeepney - 8 Drop and 1.30 per km Pedicab – 6.75 per trip Dry Good Shopping – You will find clothing and shoe prices are very reasonable here, but electronics very expensive as most are imported and subject to high customs duties. LCD prices can be more than double than in the U.S.A. Cigarettes and Alcohol are very, very cheap. Movies – 100 - 150 Digital 3D - 255 - 300 Popcorn - 40 - 90 Building Construction – When it comes to building your own house figure on between 1,180sqf (low end) to 2,525sqf (high end) for construction. Therefore a very high quality 2000 sqf house will cost you about 5,040,000. These higher end or more expensive houses usually reflect better indoor fixtures and treatments i.e. tiles, cabinetry, lighting, windows, doors, bathroom fixtures, etc. Club Membership – Fitness - 840 – 1,680 Golf – 5,040 Restaurant Food – For the most part I find restaurant food to be quite affordable in the Philippines. I know a number of guys that eat out 2-3x daily at good restaurants for less than 630 Most Full Dinners in quality restaurants (regardless of location) will run about 504 This includes an appetizer (soup or salad), the main entrée and a Drink. Entrees alone will cost about 210 to 336. A whole pizza for example is about 231 Meat or Chicken Entrée dishes were about the same. Soft Drinks 42 Sample Restaurant Prices Moon Café – Baby Back Ribs - 350 Canvas – Cream Dory – 235 Gustavian – Ceasar Salad – 120 Gustavian – Beef Stroganoff – 330 Pizzeria Michelangelo – Pizza Margarita -250 Home Food - Much of your expense will revolve around how much imported food you eat. If you sick to local foods it will save lots of money. For example a pound of Sushi quality Sword Fish or White Marlin is only 170 a pound. Boneless Chicken is 91 a pound. Vegetables are pretty anemic here but are fairly cheap and local fruits are very, very cheap and incredibly delicious. I recommend Mango, Papaya and Banana. Item Quantity Price Apples - Fuji 1 lb. 60 Beef - Ground 1 lb. 100 Beer - Local Can 30 Beer - Heiniken Bottle 58 Bread - White Loaf 56 Butter 8 oz. 134.40 Cereal 12 oz. 160 Cheese - Cheddar 8 oz. 199 Cheese - Cream 8 oz. 126 Chicken Boneless 1 lb. 90 Chicken Breast 1 lb. 65 Chicken Thigh 1 lb. 60 Coffee - Folgers Bean 1 lb. 398 Coca Cola 1.5 Quart 45 Cream Cheese 8 oz. 130 Eggs 12 59 Ice Cream - Local 1.5 Quart 214 Ice Cream - Haagen-Dazs 1 Pint 475 Lettuce 1 lb. 40 Marlin Filet 1 lb. 168 Milk Fresh or Uht 1 Quart 67 Mustard 8 oz. 114 Olive Oil 1 Quart 486 Onion 1 lb. 45 Oranges 1 lb. 59 Peanut Butter 16 oz. 159 Pear 1 lb. 60 Pepsi 1 Quart 45 Pork - Chops 1 lb. 89 Pork - Ground 1 lb. 79 Ragu Spaghetti Sauce 26 oz. 91 Red Grapes 1 lb. 118 Rice 10.5 lb. 199 Rum - 12yr. Old 700 ml. 124 Spaghetti 1 lb. 67 Steak 1 lb. 178 Steak Sauce - A1 15 oz. 240 Sugar 1 lb. 23 Swordfish - Filet 1 lb. 168 Tomato 1 lb. 30 Toothpaste 89 Tuna - Yellowfin Filet 1 lb. 109 Tuna Fish - in Oil 6 oz. 30 Water 1 Quart 23 Survey of Actual Expats Living in the Philippines Single Man (in Provincial Town) Rent – 12,138 (furnished and includes cable, internet, electricity) Food – 16,884 (eating out 3x day at places like Moon Café) Gas – 1,218 (motorcycle) Cell Phone Load – 1,218 Entertainment – 4,956 (your imagination) Misc. – 4,956 (medical, travel, etc.) 41,370 give or take Single Woman (in Major City) Owned – 6,930,000 (150 sqf 2 Bedroom Condo in Mid Range Makati Building) Condo Fee – 5,964 Internet and Phone Landline –1,008 Electricity – 2,520 Cable – 1,008 Home Food – 9,954 Helper – 3,570 Transportation – 1,008 Entertainment – 1,512 Misc – 8,400 (medical, restaurant, cell, etc.) Rent – 29,400 34,944 (actual out-of-pocket expense give or take) 64,344 (with rent expense if no-condo ownership) Single Man (in Makati) Rent – 33,600 (Studio) Internet – 850 Cable TV - 850 Electricity – 4,200 Home Food – 4,200 Restaurant – 8,400 Helper – 2,100 Transportation – 4,200 Entertainment – 12,600 (dating, theater, events, etc.) Misc – 4,200 (wine, club memberships, etc.) 75,200 (actual out-of-pocket expense give or take) Couple (in Provincial Town) Owned – 5,964,000 (3500 sqf 5 Bedroom House on 2.5 acre lot) Electricity – 2,100 Cable – 1,050 Internet – 2,100 House Food – 12,600 Helper Food – 2,520 Motorcycle Gas – 1,680 His Spending – 8,400 Her Spending – 8,400 Helper – 1,680 Gardener – 2,940 Dining Out – 8,400 Misc – 16,800 +/- (shopping, repairs, medical, travel, etc..) Rent – 39,900 (you can also find nice house to rent for less than half) 68,670 (actual out-of-pocket expense give or take) 108,570 (with rent expense if no-house ownership) My Family of 4 (in Provincial Town) Rent – 19,866 (furnished 4 bedroom house plus helpers area) Electricity – 10,920 Cable – 1,050 Internet – 1,974 House Food – 19,866 Helper Food – 4,956 Car Gas – 1,008 Motorcycle Gas – 588 Other Transportation – 1,512 Daughter Pre-School – 3,486 Son College – 3,192 Son Spending – 2,982 My Spending – 4,960 Wife Spending – 4,960 Helper 1 – 1,512 Helper 2 – 1,512 Yaya – 1,974 Dining Out – 4960 Misc – 9,954 +/- (laundry, clothing, load, medical, travel, etc..) 100,800 give or take Family of 3 (in Major City) Owned - 17,895,000 (2850 sqf 3 Bedroom Condo in High End Makati Building) Condo Fee – 28,350 Electricity – 12,600 Cable – 1,050 Internet – 2,100 House Food – 21,000 Helper Food – 6,300 Car Gas – 8,400 Other Transportation – 1,260 Daughter School – 48,300 Husband Spending – 16,800 Wife Spending – 8,400 Helper 1 – 2,940 Helper 2 – 2,940 Driver – 6,300 Dining Out – 16,800 Misc – 63,000 +/- (clothing, golf club, medical, travel, etc..) Rent – 147,000 246,540 (actual out-of-pocket expense give or take) 368,340 (with rent expense if no-condo ownership) As high as the cost of living in parts of Manila (Makati and Fort Bonifacio) as reflected in my example of a family living there, it is still about 1/4 to 1/3 of what the same lifestyle would cost living in a Major U.S.A. City like New York. Still, the costs for a family living in Manila are high and it is important to note that many of the Expats living in Manila are retired executives and those currently working for companies with high net worth or incomes. On the surface it sure seems better to own in Manila (if you can afford it) than rent as renting increases monthly costs dramatically. I will certainly be interested to see what the actual expenses will be for my family once we move there next year. I anticipate (since we will own) that they will fall in the 147,000 – 168,000 range due to the added expense for our daughter’s school and the need for a driver. What I am seeing is a dramatic rise of expats making the move to the Provincial cities and towns where costs are more affordable. I would highly recommend this as well. In Conclusion: I have no doubts that some of you reading this may have differing experiences with the cost of living here. Of course we all have different priorities in our spending. It would be great if you could share yours as well. My overall conclusion based on my own experiences and with those of people I interviewed is: in the overall scheme of things it is far, far cheaper to live in the Philippines than in the States especially if you take advantage of the labor factor. In the Philippines you can have maids, nannies, chauffeurs, gardeners, masseuses and entertainment for a fraction of the cost in the U.S.A. Single Man/Woman – 42,000 – 84,000 Couple – 50,400 – 134,400 Family (4) – 84,000 – 420,000 I hope this article and any follow-up comments will help those of you looking for answers about the cost of living in the Philippines. Thank you http://mylifeinthephilippines Edited May 16, 2012 by phildiver 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tukaram (Tim) Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Great post. Too bad it turned into such a cluster #$%@... But I, for one, thank you for the great info. Edited May 17, 2012 by Tuka Ram 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashanti Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Thank you Phil …………. Great post! Im glad you changed your currency to Pesos. Not because this is a Phil forum but its much easier and understandable to have one variable than so many to worked on. So people from different currencies will be able to do just simple calculations. I find your research helpful even to Filipinos who live abroad as they sure do visits PI and their families. Its nice to be able to have a workable budget to work on. Well, for me anyway as I always like to know how much things cost before I dip my toes. Don’t want to have a heart attack! When I visit PI, I always work out a daily expenses and do a spreadsheet which cover all eventualities, even the jeepney rides, etc so its nice to know how some basic stuff cost. Once I got my daily budget, I can easily work out to go over or under and not to be totally shocked at the end of holiday as I would know exactly where I stand and where the money goes ………… and throughout the holiday, I would know if I could afford to splash out or not ………… So again, thank you for your hardwork, im going to copy and paste your research in my Phil info folder. Great stuff!!! :thumbsup: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjp52 Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 so I guess from now on if I list a currency amount I must do it in 186 different currencies ...... in your dreams ....... the OP put a lot of work into his post TRYING to help other people and all it seems he got for his effort is to be criticize ...... do I see somethings wrong YES ..... but not significant enough to pitch a fit over On a Philippines forum, it should be Philippines Pisos. Since you want to make this a board just for Americans, I will now take the owners advice and move on. Good bye Regards: Jim You know Jim you surprise me. With all your knowledge and experiences with the Philippines I thought you would have a thicker skin. Don.t let a few words get to you. Unless your having a bad day. Ive learned a lot from your writings and videos and a few words from a person should not make you want to leave. Hope you have a better day tomorrow and looking forward to hearing more of your stories and experiences on the Philippines. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higg-num Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 I dislike everything being in the P.I. pesos :unsure: . I have to keep breaking out the calculator...Yes, it was a bit selfish. Take heart my forum friends...I'll get over it. Mr. Jim, I concur with Sjp52's post above. I was really looking forward to not only your threads & info but perhaps of meeting you soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i am bob Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Thank you Sir for this great post! I know we started you off a little rough but it's not always like that here... In fact it's pretty rare! And I for one (and many others too) are very glad that you are here! Once again - thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundy Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 I for one have now totally given up on this topic because there is just NO correct answer. All one can do when this subject comes up and comprehensive posts are made is to pick out what may or may not apply to the individual concerned. If someone asks me "Can i live in the Philippines on $500 a month?" my answer is YES! If someone asks me "Can i live in the Philippines on $1,000 a month?" my answer is YES! If someone asks me "Can i live in the Philippines on $10,000 a month?" my answer is YES! Philippines is no different to any other country, if you want to live cheap then you can do that, if you want a lavish lifestyle then you can do that too.What may be of more interest to the individual concerned is the living cost comparison between the Philippines and his or her own country for the lifestyle he or she is comfortable with and the only person who can tell you what the difference will be is YOU. As for us, well if you put housing and associated costs aside, we live quite well here in Bundaberg on less than $250 a week.So if someone is going to tell me we need more to live in the Philippines than we do here...........sorry but i'm just gonna laugh at you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jollygoodfellow Posted May 18, 2012 Popular Post Posted May 18, 2012 As for us, well if you put housing and associated costs aside, we live quite well here in Bundaberg on less than $250 a week.So if someone is going to tell me we need more to live in the Philippines than we do here...........sorry but i'm just gonna laugh at you. Is that US dollars or AU :hystery: :dance: 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundy Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Is that US dollars or AU Who the hell cares? :mocking: :hystery: :hystery: :hystery: You want me to post it in Ringit maybe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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