Canadian Citizen Killed In Surigao City

[jamesmusslewhite]

My wife says that the people who could make the case continue are waiting for someone to pay them.  Very little gets done in the Philippines without money being paid to someone. I'm sure all of you know this by now.

 

The victim doesn't have any relatives in the Philippines or anyone willing to pay so that means a family member in Canada needs to go to Surigao City to find out who is waiting to get paid.

 

Also, since the victim can't be at the hearings, a relative needs to attend all hearings to represent him.

Hello guys,

 

I haven't had the pleasure of actually meeting James but the first pitcher of MoJo is on me and would

actually salute this mild mannered Texan, who walks softly but carries a big stick.

 

If memory serves me correctly, I believe our James was a grunt (US Marine Corp) and kicked ass as

a gunnery sergeant or above.  Nickname Gunnie, this rank along with Master Guns and the top dog

Sergeant Major actually runs the corp.  You've seen them before - jaws like a bull dog, yelling at his

young Marines in order to protect them like his own children.  

 

I believe James took the initiative of getting out of dodge in order to fight another day.  I would not

want to be caught in a US Marine kill box (lines of fire).  

 

Regarding Americano's post above, his source of information is street level news, coming from a very

reliable source, his wife.  Thank you sir, respectfully -- Jake

I was just a lowly E-5 Sergeant in the Recons. I was gimped-up in Beirut so only did 5-1/2 but if not, I would have probably none my 30. Man I loved the Corps. I had already been slated for the Accelerated LDO program so I would have Mustanged, but I doubt I would have ever taken the Hard-Bars. When I was not allowed to re-enlist it broke my heart. So I went back home started a couple of Landscape companies and garden centers and reeducated myself in Biology and Botany and raised a fine son. Been married to an excellent Filipino woman who took my heart back on Okinawa in 85 and I brought her over to Houston and married the girl back in 87. For me it was the smartest thing I have ever done. For me I married up, for her she definitely married down.

 

I never start a fight but I have never backed down from a fight. Perhaps this Texan draws the line in the sand and then stands so firm is because I was born on March 6^th.. The second Picher of Mojo will be on me…

[Jake]

The Philippines justice system is incompetent and a joke to the rest of the world

Hello guys,

 

In case anyone is going to jump Americano for his statement above because it's pretty strong,
derogatory and demeaning description of a justice system in the Philippines.....well, personal
I totally agree with him.  However, I would not make such a strong statement in an open forum.
Although, you can read most local editorials expressing their own frustrations.  The term Guns,
Goons and Gold was borrowed from one of my favorite columnist, Ramon Tulfo from PDI. 

 

Anyway, this topic is hot to say the least and still an on going investigation.  Please watch your
step or else.....I will whack your pee-pee....he, haw (with a Texas twang).

 

Have a nice day guys -- Jake

[jamesmusslewhite]

Next week on March 12th will be 7 months since the murder occurred.  In those 7 months what has happened to bring the suspected murder(s) to justice?  One suspect was allow to leave the Philippines while two others are still roaming around free and able to intimidate witness and commit more crimes.  One suspect was arrested but not for this crime.  He was arrested for a crime he committed in the past.  He should have already been in prison so he couldn't take part in this murder.

 

The Philippines justice system is incompetent and a joke to the rest of the world.

The system is an old Spanish Colonial system which was originally designed to keep those with power in power, then add a bunch of poorly conceived but well intended civil rights laws written by a society traumatized after 20 years of Marco’s Martial Law and this is what you see here. It is amazing they have as high of a conviction rate as they do here. It is, what it is here. One big confusing chest match.

 

Jane was allowed to return her Husband’s ashes to his family in Canada. By the time the PNP investigators had built a case strong enough to take before a prosecutor, Jane was already hiding in Canada. Now Jane is a suspect in the murder of a Canadian millionaire Businessman who is staying in the hometown of her murdered husband, yet the Canadian police can only watch her roam about town? So laws are twisted all around…

[i am bob]

Next week on March 12th will be 7 months since the murder occurred.  In those 7 months what has happened to bring the suspected murder(s) to justice?  One suspect was allow to leave the Philippines while two others are still roaming around free and able to intimidate witness and commit more crimes.  One suspect was arrested but not for this crime.  He was arrested for a crime he committed in the past.  He should have already been in prison so he couldn't take part in this murder.

 

The Philippines justice system is incompetent and a joke to the rest of the world.

The system is an old Spanish Colonial system which was originally designed to keep those with power in power, then add a bunch of poorly conceived but well intended civil rights laws written by a society traumatized after 20 years of Marco’s Martial Law and this is what you see here. It is amazing they have as high of a conviction rate as they do here. It is, what it is here. One big confusing chest match.

 

Jane was allowed to return her Husband’s ashes to his family in Canada. By the time the PNP investigators had built a case strong enough to take before a prosecutor, Jane was already hiding in Canada. Now Jane is a suspect in the murder of a Canadian millionaire Businessman who is staying in the hometown of her murdered husband, yet the Canadian police can only watch her roam about town? So laws are twisted all around…

She is allowed to "wander around town" (as you put it) because there is no legal basis to send her out at this time.  We follow the same basic laws here in this regard as they do should she had gone to Texas, Australia, England, France, Spain...

 

If somebody doesn't do something (like formally charge and ask for extradition), Canada doesn't legally have a basis to send her out.  So fat that hasn't happened.

 

From what I hear, at the moment she is hiding in her friend's house and doesn't show her face anywhere. I guess there have been a few incidents already and most of the local people are against her.  And some of the people in her neighbourhood of New Brunswick love the backwoods and would probably enjoy introducing her to nature some cold and snowy midnight. I hear the snow is still 2 or 3 times the height of a tall man in some places way back...

[Americano]

Bob keeps repeating this and I don't see how anyone could disagree, Canada can not extradite Jane until they receive an extradition request from the Philippines.  Why is it taking so long to send an extradition request when she's a suspect in a murder case?  Well, I have already given you my opinion above.

 

By the way, I have some experience with how the court system works or doesn't work because my wife filed a criminal case against someone for assault but he had several months to sell everything and then move to another country before the first hearing even took place.  The legal system is almost useless in the Philippines.

[jamesmusslewhite]

 

Next week on March 12th will be 7 months since the murder occurred.  In those 7 months what has happened to bring the suspected murder(s) to justice?  One suspect was allow to leave the Philippines while two others are still roaming around free and able to intimidate witness and commit more crimes.  One suspect was arrested but not for this crime.  He was arrested for a crime he committed in the past.  He should have already been in prison so he couldn't take part in this murder.

 

The Philippines justice system is incompetent and a joke to the rest of the world.

The system is an old Spanish Colonial system which was originally designed to keep those with power in power, then add a bunch of poorly conceived but well intended civil rights laws written by a society traumatized after 20 years of Marco’s Martial Law and this is what you see here. It is amazing they have as high of a conviction rate as they do here. It is, what it is here. One big confusing chest match.

 

Jane was allowed to return her Husband’s ashes to his family in Canada. By the time the PNP investigators had built a case strong enough to take before a prosecutor, Jane was already hiding in Canada. Now Jane is a suspect in the murder of a Canadian millionaire Businessman who is staying in the hometown of her murdered husband, yet the Canadian police can only watch her roam about town? So laws are twisted all around…

She is allowed to "wander around town" (as you put it) because there is no legal basis to send her out at this time.  We follow the same basic laws here in this regard as they do should she had gone to Texas, Australia, England, France, Spain...

 

If somebody doesn't do something (like formally charge and ask for extradition), Canada doesn't legally have a basis to send her out.  So fat that hasn't happened.

 

From what I hear, at the moment she is hiding in her friend's house and doesn't show her face anywhere. I guess there have been a few incidents already and most of the local people are against her.  And some of the people in her neighbourhood of New Brunswick love the backwoods and would probably enjoy introducing her to nature some cold and snowy midnight. I hear the snow is still 2 or 3 times the height of a tall man in some places way back...

Yes, and if she is eventually proven guilty of the murder of this Canadian millionaire businessman, than she will have be afforded far more consideration for her civil rights than were afforded to Harry as he was while being left on the ground to slowly bleed to death. And is formal charges are not issued by the Philippines because she is hiding in Canada, than she gets away with murdering a Canadian citizen.

 

Yep, not twisted at all...

[jamesmusslewhite]

Bob keeps repeating this and I don't see how anyone could disagree, Canada can not extradite Jane until they receive an extradition request from the Philippines.  Why is it taking so long to send an extradition request when she's a suspect in a murder case?  Well, I have already given you my opinion above.

 

By the way, I have some experience with how the court system works or doesn't work because my wife filed a criminal case against someone for assault but he had several months to sell everything and then move to another country before the first hearing even took place.  The legal system is almost useless in the Philippines.

I do not disagree with Bob on the issue of extradition. It is because the Filipino courts fully understand that they will have to face a country who will be naturally hesitant to send her back to the Philippines to face these charges, that they have had to move so cautiously in this case. Canada will claim that the Filipino prisons might be too tough a punishment for murdering a Canadian citizen and therefore be allowed to continue to freely travel about. So if Canada refuses to send her back to face these charges then the punishment she will receive for murdering a Canadian citizen, is to not be perused further by any Canadian police authority. Now that sure some like some old fashion rightous justice for Harry’s Canadian family.

 

If in fact Jerome (Harry’s Filipino driver/bodyguard) is the father of Jane’s baby boy, than the child has received full Canadian citizenship and an equal share of Harry’s estate. Canada has not even requested a DNA test on the child, which could have opened this case wide open. Yes, very helpful for the most part.

Edited March 5, 2013 by jamesmusslewhite

[jamesmusslewhite]

Now if you guys want to do something which is actually productive in helping the family and friends of Harry Doyle to get justice than go to the following link.

 

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/federal-and-provincial-leaders-in-canada-and-phillipine-authorities-intervene-in-the-murder-investigation-of-harry-doyle

 

It is a petition established by the friends and family of Harry Doyle. Put your signatures where your mouths are. I know I am doing the best I can do, are you? If not, than make yourseves useful.

Edited March 5, 2013 by jamesmusslewhite

[Jake]

Now if you guys want to do something which is actually productive in helping the family and friends of Harry Doyle to get justice than go to the following link.

 

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/federal-and-provincial-leaders-in-canada-and-phillipine-authorities-intervene-in-the-murder-investigation-of-harry-doyle

 

It is a petition established by the friends and family of Harry Doyle. Put your signatures where your mouths are. I know I am doing the best I can do, are you? If not, than make yourseves useful.

I have registered my signature and posted my comment on that petition.  Regardless of parties

concern, I will always advocate a fair and speedy trial.  May Harry rest in peace.

[Americano]

I signed the petition and made a comment too.

 

Most people believe in a speedy and fair trial except for the criminals of course, they hope a trial never occurs. And, the way they prevent a trial is to intimidate or kill the witnesses, go into hiding or leave the country. I believe we have seen some of this happen in this case.

 

Suspects are extradited for far less changes than murder so what's the problem in this case?

 

If you look at the INTERPOL website below and select Philippines for Nationality you will see that 45 Filipinos have Red Notices for lesser crimes such as Theft, Fraud, etc.  Red Notice means these people will be arrested when located by law enforcement in any of the 190 countries who are members of INTERPOL.  Here's a link where you can read it for yourself.

 

http://www.interpol.int/%D1%8D%D0%AA%D0%92%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%98en/Wanted-Persons

 

And here's some information about Fugitive Investigations on the same website but on a different page:

 

http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Fugitive-investigations/Fugitive-investigations

 

James do you know if INTERPOL is involved in this case?  If not, then I will be happy to make myself useful again.