Canadian Citizen Killed In Surigao City

[Thomas]

Well. Not so very odd if a skilled - expensive - lawyer can delay the process,

but how come the police didn't caught the murder brothers earlier??

[jamesmusslewhite]

Well. Not so very odd if a skilled - expensive - lawyer can delay the process,

but how come the police didn't caught the murder brothers earlier??

 

Being part of their belief that it was an organized conspiracy orchestrated by the wife and driver who contracted the two brothers as shooters may have something to do with it. I do not know if legally it causes a complication going only after the brothers first rather than waiting to file the case against all four at one time. I find the whole process a bit confusing and it would take one well versed in Philippine law and Filipino court proceedings to properly answer that question. I could only speculate and show my utter ignorance on the subject.

 

This is one of the main reasons I have continued with these mirror threads on the four expat forums. They show the step by step progression and the processes which will hopefully help expats understand the legal and court system as this case progresses. Most similar threads are only the initial reporting of an expat’s murder but are never really followed up upon and then simply drop into obscurity and disappear into the archives. I plan on following this case through to it’s conclusion unless ordered by the courts to desist or I become deceased.

[Thomas]

Being part of their belief that it was an organized conspiracy orchestrated by the wife and driver who contracted the two brothers as shooters may have something to do with it. I do not know if legally it causes a complication going only after the brothers first rather than waiting to file the case against all four at one time.

Yes, but elsewhere can suppoused murders be put in custody during WAITING for the court, so they can't run away...

But perhaps - just guessing - the lawyer for wife and boyfriend - included them in the delaying process to try to avoid geting them witness against his clients.

But still odd the brothers weren't put in custody a long time ago, extra odd when the SAME legal system did put a store worker in custody even during holidays just because he nicked and ate a bit food in the store he worked in...

[jamesmusslewhite]

 

Being part of their belief that it was an organized conspiracy orchestrated by the wife and driver who contracted the two brothers as shooters may have something to do with it. I do not know if legally it causes a complication going only after the brothers first rather than waiting to file the case against all four at one time.

Yes, but elsewhere can suppoused murders be put in custody during WAITING for the court, so they can't run away...

But perhaps - just guessing - the lawyer for wife and boyfriend - included them in the delaying process to try to avoid geting them witness against his clients.

But still odd the brothers weren't put in custody a long time ago, extra odd when the SAME legal system did put a store worker in custody even during holidays just because he nicked and ate a bit food in the store he worked in...

 

They were identified after the event by a photo and were not seen by the police during the committing of the crime or were captured and held at the crime scene, nor was there video camera footage. The witness statements from one hut conflicted with statements from the other hut. They have to have a solid case here to file charges and issue warrants. The case took time to piece together and collect and organize the evidence to where it could be presented to the courts. Lawyers stalled the process by many months.

 

Case in point, for almost a year the wife suspected to have conspired to have Harry killed; the very wife who first left the country to carry Harry's ashes to his family in Canada and not only did not return but never answered the questions of the investigators. Canada has not questioned her, detained her, or restricted her movements even though she is merely a resident and not a Canadian citizen. If it is true that the newborn was fathered by the driver and is as believed to be part of the murder plot, then the Canadian just gave the baby who may be the product of two who killed Harry full Canadian citizenship and an equal share of harry's estate. Sometimes the law does not make since. Why because lawyers have distorted and twisted the laws to where it as a cluster-F....

 

At least this case has reached this point when many expat murders never get this far,  and complications experienced here are probably actuallly experienced in most countries on this planet.  

Edited August 12, 2013 by jamesmusslewhite

[Thomas]

They (shooters) were identified after the event by a photo and were not seen by the police during the committing of the crime or were captured and held at the crime scene, nor was there video camera footage. The witness statements from one hut conflicted with statements from the other hut.

I see. I thought it was more clear already a long time ago.

If it is true that the newborn was fathered by the driver and is as believed to be part of the murder plot, then the Canadian just gave the baby who may be the product of two who killed Harry full Canadian citizenship and an equal share of harry's estate.

Well. Geting citizenship is one thing,

BUT I doubt the baby will be hier to Harry, if some hier question it in Canadian court and show DNA don't suit. I don't believe Canadian law is that stupid  :)

[jamesmusslewhite]

 

They (shooters) were identified after the event by a photo and were not seen by the police during the committing of the crime or were captured and held at the crime scene, nor was there video camera footage. The witness statements from one hut conflicted with statements from the other hut.

I see. I thought it was more clear already a long time ago.

 

If it is true that the newborn was fathered by the driver and is as believed to be part of the murder plot, then the Canadian just gave the baby who may be the product of two who killed Harry full Canadian citizenship and an equal share of harry's estate.

Well. Geting citizenship is one thing,

BUT I doubt the baby will be hier to Harry, if some hier question it in Canadian court and show DNA don't suit. I don't believe Canadian law is that stupid  :)

 

No, it has already been determined that even though Harry is not the father that he and jane were legally married at the time of conception and therefore the child is treaded as if it is his child and therefore entitled to an even srare as the other two children.

Edited August 12, 2013 by jamesmusslewhite

[Thomas]

No, it has already been determined that even though Harry is not the father that he and jane were legally married at the time of conception and therefore the child is treaded as if it is his child and therefore entitled to an even srare as the other two children.

Do you mean Harry's REAL children lost in court?

Not odd if a child born in a marriage is asumed to having the husband as father as long as nothing else is proven...

[jamesmusslewhite]

 

No, it has already been determined that even though Harry is not the father that he and jane were legally married at the time of conception and therefore the child is treaded as if it is his child and therefore entitled to an even srare as the other two children.

Do you mean Harry's REAL children lost in court?

Not odd if a child born in a marriage is asumed to having the husband as father as long as nothing else is proven...

 

I talk to his oldest son regularly who is contesting the previously unknown Will that Jane presented to the Doyle sisters when she took the ashes of Harry to Canada. In the previous Will Steven the oldest and little Joseph were both included and shared 1/2 of the estate, while the wife was awarded 1/2 of the estate. In this new Will both children were left completely out and Jane was designated as the sole beneficiary. This is odd to Harry’s family as Harry never mentioned having made a new Will to his accountant or the executor of his estate; that little Joseph being autistic has special needs requiring special assistance for the rest of his life, and their belief that Harry did not trust Jane Doyle with money at all. He allowed her no direct access to the bank accounts nor allowing her access to the ATM cards.

 

Harry’s oldest living sister Ann Doyle is the executor of his estate and she was quite surprised when informed by her barrister that the newborn would be given an even share of Harry's estate even if fathered and mothered by two individuals who are believed to have collaborated to murder Harry. This was why the Doyle family wanted a DNA test as they knew in advance that the baby as going to be full Filipino, as they want to know if the child is in fact fathered by Jerome Devocion. This would greatly conflict with statements made by Jane Doyle here in the Philippines and in Canada. Some could consider it a motive to having to have him killed, but have little to no effect on the newborns inheritance rights.

[Thomas]

This was why the Doyle family wanted a DNA test as they knew in advance that the baby as going to be full Filipino, as they want to know if the child is in fact fathered by Jerome Devocion. This would greatly conflict with statements made by Jane Doyle here in the Philippines and in Canada. Some could consider it a motive to having to have him killed, but have little to no effect on the newborns inheritance rights.

Do you mean the Canadian law is that stupid, that the new child can't be out of inheriting even if it's proven it isn't Harry's and it's questioned in court??

[jamesmusslewhite]

 

This was why the Doyle family wanted a DNA test as they knew in advance that the baby as going to be full Filipino, as they want to know if the child is in fact fathered by Jerome Devocion. This would greatly conflict with statements made by Jane Doyle here in the Philippines and in Canada. Some could consider it a motive to having to have him killed, but have little to no effect on the newborns inheritance rights.

Do you mean the Canadian law is that stupid, that the new child can't be out of inheriting even if it's proven it isn't Harry's and it's questioned in court??

 

That I can not answer. I just know what I am told by those who know what is going on in their own personal lives. You would have to ask a Canadian lawyer on how stupid their laws are.