Freeloaders! Oh Hell No! (Funny)

[Bruce]

As most are aware, my charity does the usual things for the poor and then there is a small Sponsor / Mentor program for the gay kids in which the charity tries to set up a US (or other country) based Sponsor for a kid.

Not doing too well as of yet. But I am trying. I did manage to find a kind sponsor for 2 kids. He is willing to pay school costs and some help with the day to day expenses. A small budget was set to cover this. So far so good. On the Philippine side, the woman who runs the charity there met with the mother of one boy and the grandmother of the other. She explained the small budget and how it would work. Pays all school costs and then some for the boys daily living expenses.

You understand? I understand, the woman running the charity in Phils understands.... Well the mother of the one boy, the same mother who abandond him and went off to Manila and sends NO money to support him... and his older sister, also working in Manila.... well I guess the grandmother told them that the boy has a Kano sponsor.

Last week the older sister shows up! Says the mother will be back in January. Why? Because the boy has a SPONSOR! The older sister and mother thought THEY had won the lottery. So the grandmother who understand what the deal is went to the woman running the charity to tell her and to ask what to do.

So the woman from the charity finds the older sister of the boy and tells her NO MONEY! I (the woman) get the money and I pay the bills and I am NOT giving you or your mother ANY money. And I am not asking the Sponsor for any extra money for you! Tell your mother not to come if she thinks she will get any money. (she does SKYPE with the sponsor and accounts for every peso)

So time will tell what happens. I do find it odd that the sister and mother, who before the boy got a sponsor, did not care at all about him or his future. But now that he has some (small) money every month, they think they are ENTITLED to the money! WRONG!

So far so good with the boy though. If the sponsor follows through, then at least these 2 boys have a shot at an education and a way out of poverty.

[Jake]

Last week the older sister shows up! Says the mother will be back in January. Why? Because the boy has a SPONSOR! The older sister and mother thought THEY had won the lottery. So the grandmother who understand what the deal is went to the woman running the charity to tell her and to ask what to do.

So the woman from the charity finds the older sister of the boy and tells her NO MONEY! I (the woman) get the money and I pay the bills and I am NOT giving you or your mother ANY money. And I am not asking the Sponsor for any extra money for you! Tell your mother not to come if she thinks she will get any money.

So time will tell what happens. I do find it odd that the sister and mother, who before the boy got a sponsor, did not care at all about him or his future. But now that he has some (small) money every month, they think they are ENTITLED to the money! WRONG!

So far so good with the boy though. If the sponsor follows through, then at least these 2 boys have a shot at an education and a way out of poverty.

Hello Bruce,

A very riveting story with a one-two punch to the arrogant drama queens. Thank you sir!

[Thomas]

I do find it odd that the sister and mother, who before the boy got a sponsor, did not care at all about him or his future. But now that he has some (small) money every month, they think they are ENTITLED to the money! WRONG!

Well. Because of they didn't send any money to him from Manila, I would have found it more odd if they hadn't shown up trying to get money for themselves... :hystery: Irresponsible freeloaders... :(

[Jollygoodfellow]

I'm going to throw a spanner in the works here as I don't see or understand how kids of say 8 or 10 know they are gay. These people come out of the wood work when a chance of a better life came along. I honestly can not see so called gay kids knowing they are gay before puberty.

Anyway I guess I hijacked this thread but to keep in line it will be a never ending problem with the sudden lottery win by chance of a sponsor from the land of the rich.

[Bruce]

Well, research has shown that in the personal history of people identifying themselves as 'gay', there is a very common theme. Many say that they knew they were 'different' at age 5 or so. Some younger and some older. But all mostly tell the same thing, but in their own words.

The term / label 'gay' is an adult term that these kids to not yet understand. They simply know that they are 'different'. The terms used to describe that 'different' come later in life. Remember that children are at a stage in their lives where they 'want' to please adults and as such, they play base ball or follow the hobbies of the adults they are familiar with. For them to do things differently takes some internal drive. Not a sexual thing. But a biological thing.

So when a kid plays with dolls instead of trucks or wants to dress in a skirt or use make up, he knows he is attracting unwanted attention, often negative attention, but does it anyway.

So in the Philippines, when I went to local schools and saw some boys as young as 10 dressing up as a girl and wearing make up (if they can afford to buy) it was very strange to me, but to the other kids in the class or the teachers, it was no big deal.

So when 'we' as adults think GAY, we think of our own ADULT concepts of GAY. But these concepts are not yet learned by those kids. We try to overlay our concepts onto the boy as to what it means to be gay, and he is of course, unaware of this. He is (or she is) developing their own sense of being and self worth.

I did not label any kid as gay. I simply asked the principle of the school(s) to let me talk to gay teachers and gay students. Once the program was made public, then we were approached by others who were aware of the program and they themselves identified themselfs or their kids as gay.

Lastly, the term / label GAY in the Philippines does not carry with it the same meaning that it does in the US which is often a negative thing.

I could go into more genetic detail, but for the purposes of this forum and the charity program, it is not needed.

[Thomas]

I did not label any kid as gay. I simply asked the principle of the school(s) to let me talk to gay teachers and gay students. Once the program was made public, then we were approached by others who were aware of the program and they themselves identified themselfs or their kids as gay. Lastly, the term / label GAY in the Philippines does not carry with it the same meaning that it does in the US which is often a negative thing.

Oh do they call all these "gay"?

/future homosexuals

/future transsexuals/shemales

/Transvestites too??

[Bruce]

I really do not know how to answer that. I do believe that the boys in the charity... say at least those 16 and younger and not sexually active. Being that I am not gay, I am actually looking at this at a distance and am trying to provide some stability and a future for these kids as well as straight kids. Biggest problem is there is very little willing doners and sponsors in todays economy.

Your mention of transexuals is interesting. I believe another poster, maybe last year posted something on the difference between the transexuals in the Philippines as compared to Thailand. With the big difference being Catholic church teachings and body views as compared to the 'non issue' with the Buddhist teachings. What is very important in the Catholic upbringing barely raises any issue for the Buddhists.

In any event, I am willing to help any kid in Phils, depending on the cash flow. The charity is set up for the doner, if they wish, to tell the charity how they want to spend the money or on who they want the money spent. I will say this... I am VERY dissapointed with the 'gay community' in the US in that I had thought that they would have rallied behind this program and invensted their (small money) dollars in helping the future of gays in the Philippines as compared to sending money to one of the big name kids charities where as much as 85% of the money goes to 'OTHER' things than the stated cause. Yup. Very dissapointed.

[nor cal mike]

I am willing to help any kid in Phils

"Most important statement" IMHO. Bruce, you are to be commended for your efforts to bring happiness to those who so desperately need a helping hand. My hat is off to you my friend.

[Thomas]

Your mention of transexuals is interesting. I believe another poster, maybe last year posted something on the difference between the transexuals in the Philippines as compared to Thailand. With the big difference being Catholic church teachings and body views as compared to the 'non issue' with the Buddhist teachings. What is very important in the Catholic upbringing barely raises any issue for the Buddhists.

Oh I hadn't thought of that, because transexuals seem more common in Phili too than in Europe, I don't believe I have ever seen any in Europe except a few at TV. But now when you say it, Yes it would be odd if there wasn't a big difference to Thailand because of the Philippine catholic church.

I have several casual transsexual and gay friends. Of some odd reason many such contact me. although I'm 100 % straight - or perhaps BECAUSE of I'm 100 % straight :hystery: because I don't feel treathen by them as the gay-fobic people do, who feel so because they are not 100 % straight themselves, but don't want to admit it. Such is much more common than is common knowledge,

[JJReyes]

So in the Philippines, when I went to local schools and saw some boys as young as 10 dressing up as a girl and wearing make up (if they can afford to buy) it was very strange to me, but to the other kids in the class or the teachers, it was no big deal.

I was educated in a conservative Catholic boys school and you would be teased if you acted gay. But it wasn't really mean like the United States, which is more like bullying. I was teased for being fat and others were teased for being too short or too tall. Two students had body odor and they were teased. Another never joined after school events and socials, so he was teased as, "Mama's boy." The change occurred in high school when several classmates openly disclosed they were gay. All teasing immediately stopped and the school enforcers (me included) made sure upper and lower classmen were aware of the status change for the declared homosexuals. I can only attribute it to culture and upbringing.

The public school students were probably more liberal or "no big deal" if some classmates were gay or effeminate. Our school's students had additional baggage because of church teaching. What shocked me was American attitudes towards gays. This was forty years and much more conservative than today.