Westerners Forced Out Of Home County To Retirement Homes In Philippines?

[Markham]

Why is overseas retirement care being described as, "inhumane deportation"? I am going into this business in 2013 and the truth is actually the opposite. The inhumane care is actually occurring in developed countries where cost of labor means one caregiver is suppose to provide care for ten or more residents. Some states like California do impose limits like one caregiver for every six residents. Caregivers have very little for individual attention. Some incontinent residents get their diapers changed every two days.

In the Philippines, the caregiver services are affordable and plentiful. There are over 400,000 unemployed healthcare workers, many with nursing degrees. In Hawaii, hiring a registered nurse through a placement agency will cost $350 for a 12 hours shift. Our registered nurses in the Philippines will be paid $25 for 12 hours or P1,000. The maximum is three residents per nurse. That's excellent pay because hospitals and clinics offer compensation in the P500 to P600 for 12 hours.

Whilst you certainly appear to have good intentions regarding your staff, you've said little about those who will be placed in their care even though you started your reply objecting to the phrase "inhuman deportation". You may aim to provide a high standard of medical care but what about your residents' other needs? What are they going to do all day? How are you going to occupy them so that they don't get bored and sink into depression? In their own countries, they can at least watch TV programmes in their own languages - that's barely possible for Europeans here. And what about food - many ingredients for "normal" western fare are either not available, infrequently available or highly priced.

But far more importantly, Philippine bureaucracy will compound the problems. Unless you require your residents to pay for either Retirement Visas (SRRV) or Quota Visas, they will be classed as tourists and be subjected to the same 14 month cycle as every other tourist.

It's for all these reasons - and they're the tip of the iceberg - that would make me regard any out-sourcing of state-provided retirement provision as being a form of "inhuman deportation". The problems are not insurmountable but in my view, even though labour is cheap here, the all-inclusive residential fees will be just as high as they are in the west.

[Jollygoodfellow]

Why is overseas retirement care being described as, "inhumane deportation"? I am going into this business in 2013 and the truth is actually the opposite. The inhumane care is actually occurring in developed countries where cost of labor means one caregiver is suppose to provide care for ten or more residents. Some states like California do impose limits like one caregiver for every six residents. Caregivers have very little for individual attention. Some incontinent residents get their diapers changed every two days.

In the Philippines, the caregiver services are affordable and plentiful. There are over 400,000 unemployed healthcare workers, many with nursing degrees. In Hawaii, hiring a registered nurse through a placement agency will cost $350 for a 12 hours shift. Our registered nurses in the Philippines will be paid $25 for 12 hours or P1,000. The maximum is three residents per nurse. That's excellent pay because hospitals and clinics offer compensation in the P500 to P600 for 12 hours.

Whilst you certainly appear to have good intentions regarding your staff, you've said little about those who will be placed in their care even though you started your reply objecting to the phrase "inhuman deportation". You may aim to provide a high standard of medical care but what about your residents' other needs? What are they going to do all day? How are you going to occupy them so that they don't get bored and sink into depression? In their own countries, they can at least watch TV programmes in their own languages - that's barely possible for Europeans here. And what about food - many ingredients for "normal" western fare are either not available, infrequently available or highly priced.

But far more importantly, Philippine bureaucracy will compound the problems. Unless you require your residents to pay for either Retirement Visas (SRRV) or Quota Visas, they will be classed as tourists and be subjected to the same 14 month cycle as every other tourist.

It's for all these reasons - and they're the tip of the iceberg - that would make me regard any out-sourcing of state-provided retirement provision as being a form of "inhuman deportation". The problems are not insurmountable but in my view, even though labour is cheap here, the all-inclusive residential fees will be just as high as they are in the west.

These two sites give some idea of what is available and planned.

http://overseasretirementcare.com/

http://veganretirement.com/

[JJReyes]

Whilst you certainly appear to have good intentions regarding your staff, you've said little about those who will be placed in their care even though you started your reply objecting to the phrase "inhuman deportation". You may aim to provide a high standard of medical care but what about your residents' other needs? What are they going to do all day? How are you going to occupy them so that they don't get bored and sink into depression? In their own countries, they can at least watch TV programmes in their own languages - that's barely possible for Europeans here. And what about food - many ingredients for "normal" western fare are either not available, infrequently available or highly priced.

But far more importantly, Philippine bureaucracy will compound the problems. Unless you require your residents to pay for either Retirement Visas (SRRV) or Quota Visas, they will be classed as tourists and be subjected to the same 14 month cycle as every other tourist.

It's for all these reasons - and they're the tip of the iceberg - that would make me regard any out-sourcing of state-provided retirement provision as being a form of "inhuman deportation". The problems are not insurmountable but in my view, even though labour is cheap here, the all-inclusive residential fees will be just as high as they are in the west.

I spent one and a half years doing the research and studying the various challenges related to overseas senior care. The conclusion is we can proceed. The first eco-village for international retirees will be built in the Philippines before the end of 2013.

The Philippine Retirement Authority (government) and the Philippine Retirement & Healthcare Coalition (private industry) are active partners. Both have been very supportive in bringing the proposed project to fruition.

The inhumane treatment is not physical. It is the frail elderly suffering from loneliness, boredom and helplessness. Our success will be measured in the ability to overcome all three. One of the mains culprits is actually the television, which replaces one-on-one human contact.

[i am bob]

For those who haven't looked at the websites Tom supplied, I really do think they are a good thing to check out.

JJR - They look great! Very well done! When can I move in?

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[JJReyes]

For those who haven't looked at the websites Tom supplied, I really do think they are a good thing to check out. JJR - They look great! Very well done! When can I move in?

Tom is the web designer for both website. He did an excellent job.

The bamboo bungalows for the first eco-village are manufactured at a factory and shipped to the location for assembly. We should have the model units by April or May 2013.