Guy F. Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 There are plenty of freeloaders. There are also lots of people who have good work ethics. This is to remind you all that we hear about the freeloaders more because it's easier to complain about injustice than to praise righteousness. Keep an open but wary mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 It's too late for you Hesalright but the key is a set budget for support (or not) before marriage. The wife and family must clearly understand and agree. No two families or couples are the same some forum members refuse to aid Filipino family members others do as needed or a set amount. We have spent for school for some family and now are sending three or four thousand in order for Mamma and Pappa to have a house helper. (Concerning people in "working age") I say do the THIRD option ="Help-to-self-help". =Give them start capital and/or equipment to a small business including knowledge how to earn money THEMSELVES. Including telling them they are NOT allowed to use up the business capital, only the profit. But best if they use (part of) the profit to EXBAND :) E g grow piglets to slaughter pigs, including food. (That's around 5000p per piglet including food, but excluding some simple building, but it can be made of "scrap wood" so almost no cost. The Filipino pigs are much smaller and less strong than the "western" pigs, so it isn't hard to build a cheap strong enough shelter to start with..) Selling price depend of location, but e g 8500 p in province. A city living family better get something needing less space, and being less smelly :lol: Our last holiday was fu#ked up by this issue. This time we are only spending a few days with the family. Try to dodg a problem like that is a "Filipino" way :) which I realy DON'T like. Better TELL things STRAIGHT instead of wasting time and stress... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris49 Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 We are going there in 2 weeks and my wife will tell them if they can't budget the money she sends then she will stop working. My experience belies that. As my wife has said "no more" and that holds for 3 days maximum. Kind of interesting that we built a small house on mother in laws fairly big block of land (1000 sqm). We drew up an agreement so my wife now holds the title and any large chunk we pay out is signed off against the value of the land. EG, brother in law has a few issues and needed a quick 10k pesos. That goes off against his share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris49 Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 It's too late for you Hesalright but the key is a set budget for support (or not) before marriage. The wife and family must clearly understand and agree. No two families or couples are the same some forum members refuse to aid Filipino family members others do as needed or a set amount. We have spent for school for some family and now are sending three or four thousand in order for Mamma and Pappa to have a house helper. (Concerning people in "working age") I say do the THIRD option ="Help-to-self-help". =Give them start capital and/or equipment to a small business including knowledge how to earn money THEMSELVES. Including telling them they are NOT allowed to use up the business capital, only the profit. But best if they use (part of) the profit to EXBAND :) E g grow piglets to slaughter pigs, including food. (That's around 5000p per piglet including food, but excluding some simple building, but it can be made of "scrap wood" so almost no cost. The Filipino pigs are much smaller and less strong than the "western" pigs, so it isn't hard to build a cheap strong enough shelter to start with..) Selling price depend of location, but e g 8500 p in province. A city living family better get something needing less space, and being less smelly :lol: Our last holiday was fu#ked up by this issue. This time we are only spending a few days with the family. Try to dodg a problem like that is a "Filipino" way :) which I realy DON'T like. Better TELL things STRAIGHT instead of wasting time and stress... Thomas. Your numbers are way off on local prices which are actually set by the Gov't and would not vary province to province. We do raise a few hogs. And the extended family has had a few tries at the same venture. A decent pig would go 100kg=12,000-14,000. The common "trick" is to sell them at the break even point...around 50 kg and pocket the money for an "emergency". Like paying off credits or gambling debt. We are raising 3 for a Baptisimal of our 2 kids. It's hold your breath all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpbago Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Selling price depend of location, but e g 8500 p in province. Here, in Negros, we get a pig cooked and delivered for 6,000p. The cook even stays to cut it up and serve it by the plate. We are raising 3 for a Baptisimal of our 2 kids. It's hold your breath all the way. I see that you have one extra pig just in case the family has an emergency like a bad day at the cock fight. Edited February 28, 2015 by jpbago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpbago Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 We are going there in 2 weeks and my wife will tell them if they can't budget the money she sends then she will stop working. My experience belies that. As my wife has said "no more" and that holds for 3 days maximum. Kind of interesting that we built a small house on mother in laws fairly big block of land (1000 sqm). We drew up an agreement so my wife now holds the title and any large chunk we pay out is signed off against the value of the land. EG, brother in law has a few issues and needed a quick 10k pesos. That goes off against his share. In time, the shares will all be sold back and then they will build a house on the land that they don't own. It is like blessings from heaven. Win win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris49 Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Selling price depend of location, but e g 8500 p in province. Here, in Negros, we get a pig cooked and delivered for 6,000p. The cook even stays to cut it up and serve it by the plate. We are raising 3 for a Baptisimal of our 2 kids. It's hold your breath all the way. I see that you have one extra pig just in case the family has an emergency like a bad day at the cock fight. That's lechon na baboy and even though the price you quote is cheaper, calculated on the weight it's more expensive. But masarap when the skin is crunchy...rapsa rapsa. Yeah 3 pigs, one to sell and we will see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris49 Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 We are going there in 2 weeks and my wife will tell them if they can't budget the money she sends then she will stop working. My experience belies that. As my wife has said "no more" and that holds for 3 days maximum. Kind of interesting that we built a small house on mother in laws fairly big block of land (1000 sqm). We drew up an agreement so my wife now holds the title and any large chunk we pay out is signed off against the value of the land. EG, brother in law has a few issues and needed a quick 10k pesos. That goes off against his share. In time, the shares will all be sold back and then they will build a house on the land that they don't own. It is like blessings from heaven. Win win situation. I would not count anything as win/win, with one brother in law being shady, but manages to stay out of jail somehow, Gambling debts do tend to accrue and there's only so many items of collateral to be used as cover. We are looking at "no occupancy for the 3 siblings if ever we pay out the the whole amount. Mum and Dad can stay, and hopefully have the title writtten in my wife's name. Not so easy, but with Gina holding the title and the supporting documents, we do stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBM Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Here is a longish tale of family duplicity... My ex wife, whom I still see socially due to one child being 13 and shared between us, has gone into vertical take off mode with her sister. Here is the tale: Ex wife lives in UK with boyfriend, has UK citizenship. Sister, after a racketty past as a jappayuki, etc., now lives in Dubai, works for IT business. Sister's daughter was in college in Phils, fees paid by... ME... until she got herself pregnant by the usual useless male - she now has a baby a few weeks old. I was supporting her because a couple of years back she had been raped and her aunt, my ex, asked me for a favour. However supporting someone through college is one thing, supporting a single mother who could not be bothered with a condom is another, so I am out of it and supporting one of K's nieces instead. Sister in Dubai, now a new grandmother at 40, was planning to get her daughter to Dubai to work with her (or maybe "work" less reputably, we don't know...) so what was to happen to the baby? Right -baby was to be dumped on Grandma! Just as the daughter herself had been dumped on grandma, 20 years before. Grandma is now 70 and has had a stroke... and is living in the (actually rather nice) house that I gave my ex wife... ...ex wife now picking my brains on how to get her mother to the UK... Where does it end? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBM Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 It's too late for you Hesalright but the key is a set budget for support (or not) before marriage. The wife and family must clearly understand and agree. No two families or couples are the same some forum members refuse to aid Filipino family members others do as needed or a set amount. We have spent for school for some family and now are sending three or four thousand in order for Mamma and Pappa to have a house helper. (Concerning people in "working age") I say do the THIRD option ="Help-to-self-help". =Give them start capital and/or equipment to a small business including knowledge how to earn money THEMSELVES. Including telling them they are NOT allowed to use up the business capital, only the profit. But best if they use (part of) the profit to EXBAND :) E g grow piglets to slaughter pigs, including food. (That's around 5000p per piglet including food, but excluding some simple building, but it can be made of "scrap wood" so almost no cost. The Filipino pigs are much smaller and less strong than the "western" pigs, so it isn't hard to build a cheap strong enough shelter to start with..) Selling price depend of location, but e g 8500 p in province. A city living family better get something needing less space, and being less smelly :lol: Our last holiday was fu#ked up by this issue. This time we are only spending a few days with the family. Try to dodg a problem like that is a "Filipino" way :) which I realy DON'T like. Better TELL things STRAIGHT instead of wasting time and stress... Thomas. Your numbers are way off on local prices which are actually set by the Gov't and would not vary province to province. We do raise a few hogs. And the extended family has had a few tries at the same venture. A decent pig would go 100kg=12,000-14,000. The common "trick" is to sell them at the break even point...around 50 kg and pocket the money for an "emergency". Like paying off credits or gambling debt. We are raising 3 for a Baptisimal of our 2 kids. It's hold your breath all the way. My GF is quite successful with raising pigs, she buys them very young and has somebody raise them and sells around 60KG. She has been doing this many years and makes a nice amount each month as has many. She handles all stock purchase, and all money matters, runs a tight ship. According to her any weight over 60KG ones profit decreases due to high cost of feeds. She always has many ready to harvest to coincide with the local fiesta. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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