Jack Peterson Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Seems plenty of Witnesses but Know nothing of Course The bar is just off the Boulevard I believe, I don't know exactly as it is not the sort of Place I would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpbago Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 the proper response is to call the authorities The CCTV tape ran out about 9 minutes after Phil was knocked down yet no authorities showed up. I assume the bar is downtown and I assume that more than one person had a phone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike S Posted January 7, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) the proper response is to call the authorities The CCTV tape ran out about 9 minutes after Phil was knocked down yet no authorities showed up. I assume the bar is downtown and I assume that more than one person had a phone. I'm sure no one in the bar called as 3 of those involved (according to the news report) were employed by the bar and walked back inside the bar after the beating .... interesting to note that one woman went out during the fight went back in and came out again and still didn't bother to call anyone .... Just as a personal note by my viewing the video ..... it appears to me that the victim was agitated (by his actions) he also appears to be bigger than his attackers .... I'm sure with his training he felt he wasn't afraid to face 3 or more combatants ..... I know this next part is not going to be popular but when faced with a larger opponent one does not engage in the Marquess of Queensberry rules .... one does what he must to survive if it means picking up a stick .... brick ..... stone or in this case a bottle .... add to that the insane desire for everyone to get their licks in when someone is down and helpless ..... while we were trained to make sure your opponent can't get back up ....... ganging up on a downed individual by 2 or more individuals was not .... but as news reports all over the world report about this happening sometimes by 2-3 persons or a crowd .... JMHO .... but I think this whole incident could and should have been avoided ..... this is not the first time that I have heard of guys with special training push the envelope to far and end up paying the ultimate price with their lives ..... now I am not condoning what took place but it didn't have to happen .... nothing except protecting the life of a loved one is worth loosing your life for ..... anything or everything else can be replaced .... again JMHO ..... :cheersty: Edited January 7, 2016 by Mike S 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hounddriver Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 I assume that more than one person had a phone. We should share that info to our members here. How many of us know who to call in an emergency? Do you have a number in your cell phone contacts that is a private number of one of the cops? (I have a few of those but they become useless after a short time as they are just individual cops cell phone numbers and either he or me end up moving etc). Is there some universal contact number for Dumaguete that everyone should have had? I should get that from someone if it is available. Seems to me that getting in a tricyce and going to the police station or hospital or fire department is the norm here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocodile Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 I am surprised that he fell so easily from an upwards hit with an empty bottle. I don't want to be an ass, but do you realise how easily it is to kill someone just by hitting them in the head? A beer bottle is a very solid object and a hit in the head can kill you. Or, it will make you unconscious and if you fall down and headbutt the pavement, it will only add to the damage. There is a big difference between having a fist fight with someone while you are facing them, and being hit in the head unexpectedly in the side or back of the head. Anyone who picks up a bottle and hits someone over the head should only be doing it when they fear for their life. From the footage, I don't want to speculate, but after he hits the ground the others lay into him with their boots. He may have been dead before he even hit the ground? TL;DR Yes, one punch or hit can kill someone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey Steve Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Well, he went down after the initial hit with the bottle and ... ok...at that point Phil was no longer a threat to anyone, so fear (due to his size) was no longer a motivating factor in continuing to pummel the guy. It just seems the others simply wanted to get their licks in-which is why I label this strictly a cowardly act and a senseless murder. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methersgate Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 This looks oddly like the murder of George Anikow in Makati a couple of years back - the killers are all free... I am not so sure that Dumaguete is a good place to be a foreigner. The first thing that strikes me is the blindingly obvious one that this man was beaten senseless in public by three men who worked in the bar that he had been drinking in. Which tells us that the killers thought that they could get away with it. That is in itself a good reason to cross Dumaguete off a list of places where a foreigner might be reasonably safe. Going on, what are the Police up to? Waiting for a representative of the deceased to bring charges? Next, this bar was unlicensed and was next door to a business owned by the Mayor... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strap Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 I am not so sure that Dumaguete is a good place to be a foreigner. ... That is in itself a good reason to cross Dumaguete off a list of places where a foreigner might be reasonably safe. I don't know, I've never been to Dumaguete, but that seems like an overly broad conclusion to come to based just on this particular incident. I'm not so sure that any city or country is a good place to be acting belligerently at 4 am in a bar...especially as a foreigner. And the fact that he was a foreigner may or may not have even been the main factor. How many times do things like this happen to locals all over the Philippines, and you just never hear about it. In any case, he certainly didn't deserve this no matter what, but I'm not sure this incident says anything about the overall safety situation of foreigners in Dumaguete. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Booze and egos certainly played their part of yet another senseless death. Just about everyday Filipinos, even among brothers or cousins, when they get into a drinking session, you might as well throw out all human compassion and sensitivity through the window. May he rest in peace finally......apparently the world he left in was not at peace, perhaps even within himself. Respectfully -- Jake Edited January 7, 2016 by Jake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methersgate Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 I am not so sure that Dumaguete is a good place to be a foreigner. ... That is in itself a good reason to cross Dumaguete off a list of places where a foreigner might be reasonably safe. I don't know, I've never been to Dumaguete, but that seems like an overly broad conclusion to come to based just on this particular incident. I'm not so sure that any city or country is a good place to be acting belligerently at 4 am in a bar...especially as a foreigner. And the fact that he was a foreigner may or may not have even been the main factor. How many times do things like this happen to locals all over the Philippines, and you just never hear about it. In any case, he certainly didn't deserve this no matter what, but I'm not sure this incident says anything about the overall safety situation of foreigners in Dumaguete. I have passed through Dumaguete; I found it very pleasant. I agree that drinking in a bar on your own at 4.00 am is unwise anywhere and doubly so as a foreigner in the Philippines. Dumaguete had been on my short list, but I think the short list might get revised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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