More power for Philippines

[Dave Hounddriver]

1 hour ago, Jack Peterson said:

Gonna talk to one of the Engineers

Liike lIke LIke.  I would sure like to know if they have even considered this and what they plan to do about it.

[Jollygoodfellow]

These are solar plants, not some backyard addon so I'm sure the technology to run these systems has been around for awhile.

[Dave Hounddriver]

2 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

a way to balance the power

The topic has me researching a few different web sites and the problem is, indeed, a problem.  Not just when the sun goes down but during a solar eclipse.  A back up form of electricity generation is needed.  One article suggests distilling hydrogen using solar power then using the hydrogen gas as a fuel for an electrical generating plant when there is no solar power.  But no one seems to be addressing who will pay for the electrical generating plants that are only needed for a few hours a day, once solar becomes the dominant power source.  Hmmmm.  I know who will pay.  There will end up being a huge surcharge paid for electricity used after dark and you and I will pay it.

[Sander Martin]

3 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

That is just one of the innovative ways to supply power during those hours, but again, the cost of the batteries, just to supply power for the 3 peak hours, is going to paid by?????

I can think of a way to balance the power but I am not sure if it is cost effective.  Hydro power.  During the day the solar power could pump the water up to the dam and during the night the resulting hydro-electric power would supply the countries needs.

But can you see my point that supplying huge amounts of power during the day would result in fewer conventional power plants being built and more and more brown outs during the peak hours?

The Norwegians do it with Wind Power and hydro. Excess power generated from wind is used to pump water back behind the dams as a natural battery. When wind speeds are low and wind power production drops or isn't enough during peak hour, then they use the water and produce hydro power.

Wind and Sun alone aren't solutions at the moment because we lack the technology to store the power. Batterys might work for your personal system, but not for a city. Even to set up a personal battery bank to live off grid with enough power for all our modern toys is really expensive.

[Tukaram (Tim)]

Eclipses?  Really?

There are 2 solar eclipses a year, lasting 7 minutes each... hardly a major concern in Philippine power distribution.  But solar & wind are not yet stand alone systems. With a combined system we can get what we need. 

[Dave Hounddriver]

2 minutes ago, Tukaram (Tim) said:

Eclipses?  Really?

Not yet a problem in Philippines but you are welcome to start researching it here

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-20/look-what-today-s-eclipse-did-to-german-solar-power-output

[not so old china hand]

47 minutes ago, Sander Martin said:

The Norwegians do it with Wind Power and hydro. Excess power generated from wind is used to pump water back behind the dams as a natural battery. When wind speeds are low and wind power production drops or isn't enough during peak hour, then they use the water and produce hydro power.

Wind and Sun alone aren't solutions at the moment because we lack the technology to store the power. Batterys might work for your personal system, but not for a city. Even to set up a personal battery bank to live off grid with enough power for all our modern toys is really expensive.

Also done in the UK. There are storage-hydroelectric schemes in Wales that have been running for decades. A great way of handling peak loads. For example when Corenation Street ends millions of households switch on their electric kettles for a cuppa. ☕️

[DavidK]

"Enough to power 27,600 homes" - is that a standard Philippine home which uses one 50 watt bulb and a small fan or homes with sufficient lighting to read by, TV's, videos, washing machines and air con?

[Gerald Glatt]

14 hours ago, Sander Martin said:

The Norwegians do it with Wind Power and hydro. Excess power generated from wind is used to pump water back behind the dams as a natural battery. When wind speeds are low and wind power production drops or isn't enough during peak hour, then they use the water and produce hydro power.

Wind and Sun alone aren't solutions at the moment because we lack the technology to store the power. Batterys might work for your personal system, but not for a city. Even to set up a personal battery bank to live off grid with enough power for all our modern toys is really expensive.

$3k US hangs on the wall

[RBM]

20 hours ago, Jack Peterson said:

 Gonna talk to one of the Engineers on the Solar Section. NII must have some Answers somewhere or What is the Point. 

Jack as I understand the usage and excess to the grid applies just to private people. The conglomerates like Aboitiz seem to regulated to sell all power to the grid.

I could stand to be corrected here, just my understand Jack.