Strongman Popularity?

[Jack Peterson]

6 minutes ago, scott h said:

Or a the feeling of desperation and the only way out of what they see as a poor situation is brining in a strongman?

 Hmmmmmmmmm OK! but let us remember our own teachings & think on "David and Goliath" + also remembering the writings "The meak shall inherit the world"

Edited August 21, 2016 by Jack Peterson
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[Gratefuled]

12 minutes ago, scott h said:

That's why I started the topic. Is the above observation of the mindset cause by ingrained cultural mindset, just so used to having others do the heavy lifting? Or a the feeling of desperation and the only way out of what they see as a poor situation is brining in a strongman?

Maybe both. There are no guarantees. It could always get worse. Then, who is to blame? 

[Benington]

20 minutes ago, Gratefuled said:

Christians fighting Christians in Ireland is small compared to Muslims fighting Muslims all over the Middle East. Sunni Muslims fighting for control over Shiite Muslims in Iraq, Syria for instance.

 

Yes, I agree, the conflict in Mindanao is far more complicated than it ever was in Northern Ireland. My main parallel is the process of colonisation. The descendants of those settlers must be hoping that Duterte can do something wonderful. I just wonder about that as he has been active in politics there for a long time.

Are they really hoping for much help from the USA? Aren't they a bit busy with China?

Certainly Duterte would be a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize if he pulls it off!

By the way, is the Sunni/Shia split relevant there?

[robert k]

Peace will not be made while both sides see they have a chance of winning. You literally have to show one side that they will lose and that the consequences will be awful, to get them to the table in earnest. Once there, you need to address their concerns and not treat them in the manner that will ruin them forever, that's if you don't want to sow the seeds of the next rebellion. But first you must show them defeat and suggest they avoid it. I hope I wouldn't have to suggest that if they did not settle for peace that they would be treated as Mohamed treated defeated non-muslims. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Worldwide there would be much screaming and crying and hand wringing and gnashing of teeth, but in the end you need to win and you have forever to work on your PR. Alternatively, if you lose, you will be branded as the worst bloody handed murderers that ever lived anyway. So? Do you want to have a country and remain in charge? Or do you want to do nothing and hope the other side wakes up one morning and decides they have been wrong all these years? Which I give an extremely low order of probability of happening, vanishingly small, after all, in the classic handbook if you have not lost you are winning. You can lose 1,000 times, if the government ever loses once, it is over. This is the patience that is spoken about in posts above.

[Gratefuled]

3 hours ago, robert k said:

Peace will not be made while both sides see they have a chance of winning. You literally have to show one side that they will lose and that the consequences will be awful, to get them to the table in earnest. Once there, you need to address their concerns and not treat them in the manner that will ruin them forever, that's if you don't want to sow the seeds of the next rebellion. But first you must show them defeat and suggest they avoid it. I hope I wouldn't have to suggest that if they did not settle for peace that they would be treated as Mohamed treated defeated non-muslims. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Worldwide there would be much screaming and crying and hand wringing and gnashing of teeth, but in the end you need to win and you have forever to work on your PR. Alternatively, if you lose, you will be branded as the worst bloody handed murderers that ever lived anyway. So? Do you want to have a country and remain in charge? Or do you want to do nothing and hope the other side wakes up one morning and decides they have been wrong all these years? Which I give an extremely low order of probability of happening, vanishingly small, after all, in the classic handbook if you have not lost you are winning. You can lose 1,000 times, if the government ever loses once, it is over. This is the patience that is spoken about in posts above.

Ok, look at Israel for instance. How long have the Muslims been wanting to take it? How many times have they taken it and lost it? Non=Muslims are considered "infidels" and suppose to be killed for being non-believers. This hasn't changed in the minds of radical Islamists. The Philippines is full of "infidels" in their Muslim minds. 

So, in my opinion it is better to keep them from controlling any part of the Philippines and installing SHARIA LAW.

[Kuya John]

4 hours ago, Gratefuled said:

 

So, in my opinion it is better to keep them from controlling any part of the Philippines and installing SHARIA LAW.

Anyone aware that there are certain parts of the UK with large numbers of Muslims who abide by Sharia Law, rather than go through the UK justice system?

Saddam Hussein was a dictator, but look at the mess we have created by being involved, yes he was a murderer, killed members of his own family as well as anybody who opposed him. But which is the worst evil?

President Assad, did not have the same reputation, yet look what 5 years of civil war has done to Syria.

President Duterte hopefully will bring peace to Mindanao along with stability to the whole of the Philippines, by force if necessary.

Strong man or  Strong arm, time will tell.

Edited August 21, 2016 by Kuya John

[Jack Peterson]

Just now, Kuya John said:

Strong man or  Strong arm, time will tell.

To Old to hold my Breath JB

[Gratefuled]

1 hour ago, Kuya John said:

Anyone aware that there are certain parts of the UK with large numbers of Muslims who abide by Sharia Law, rather than go through the UK justice system?

I'm not as confident as you are that all that Duterte does will reap good results. By abiding to Sharia Law , does that mean to kill infidels?  

[Kuya John]

31 minutes ago, Gratefuled said:

I'm not as confident as you are that all that Duterte does will reap good results. By abiding to Sharia Law , does that mean to kill infidels?  

Gratefuled,

My mention of Sharia Law in UK was to highlight just how the Muslim community in certain area's in UK are fearful of their own kind.

I'm not familiar with the doctrine of their Koran, but I have reason to believe your question may be included.

I think Philippines needs strong leadership, a Government, that if necessary, will act in the interest of the majority. In which case the Philippines being supposedly Christian, I would of thought that in Mindanao a separate Muslim state would never be allowed to happen and Sharia law to be forbidden, as I would hope that the British Government will clamp down it's use here.

 

 

Edited August 21, 2016 by Kuya John

[stevewool]

After reading all this rural France with a plot of land sounds wonderful,