Manchester Suicide Bomber, England.

[Gratefuled]

5 minutes ago, Reboot said:

Makes no difference when they shout "Allahu Akbar" and press the button. That is the common thread, whether they be refugees, ordinary Muslim immigrants, their children, or native born. 

The term means "God is great". 

I've seen this on Jeepneys and tricycles.

It's like Christians saying " Hallelluia". 

Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims. 

[Reboot]

Christians do not say "Hallelujah" before they kill children. Arabic Christians call God "Allah" also and do not do this either. It isn't a religious imperative to kill the infidel, I've never heard of a Copt blowing up a concert even when the music was an insult to good taste as is Ariana Grande's. And, to add, this sort of behavior isn't in the religious DNA for Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists, Sikhs, Wiccans, Druids, and followers of various polytheistic and animist religions. If I've left anybody out it is because they do not stand out for this sort of behavior.

Not to say there haven't been terrorists of other stripes, but Islamic doctrine especially encourages this sort of behavior. It is different.

Edited May 24, 2017 by Reboot

[scott h]

4 minutes ago, Gratefuled said:

It's like Christians saying " Hallelluia". 

All I know for sure, is that in 2005 in Aruba Iraq was the last time I saw a man wearing a bed sheet running at me shouting Allahu Akbar we opened up on him with a 50 caliber before he blew up. It might just be me, but to this day if I see a man in traditional Arab dress or a woman in full hijab I always keep an eye on him.

I have never felt threatened by a Mormon missionary on his bike and bow tie. 

[virginprune]

22 minutes ago, scott h said:

I heard a report that his parents were political refugee immigrants, sorry don't have anything written.

Either way, another report, again just heard it on TV so have no link to refer you to,  is that this young man took to wearing the beard, Islamic/Arab cloths, and with drawing from "normal" society. Referring to my post number 33, this to me would be a clear cut case where "profiling" is called for.

There is a photo of this man in today's Guardian newspaper, no beard but trying for a moustache. Not sure how old the pic is! Regarding radicalisation, most recruits to the cause usually have none or little religious influence before being radicalised. They are more likely to be disaffected, Billy no mates types, that want to belong to something, which the recruiters are very good at manipulating.

[Reboot]

I grew up hearing the Smiths and Morrissey. Big fan. Anyway, he gets to the point.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2017 by Reboot

[virginprune]

9 minutes ago, Reboot said:

I grew up hearing the Smiths and Morrissey. Big fan. Anyway, he gets to the point.

 

 

 

 

I like the Smiths too and Morrissey usually has a good take on things.

[Gratefuled]

4 hours ago, scott h said:

All I know for sure, is that in 2005 in Aruba Iraq was the last time I saw a man wearing a bed sheet running at me shouting Allahu Akbar we opened up on him with a 50 caliber before he blew up. It might just be me, but to this day if I see a man in traditional Arab dress or a woman in full hijab I always keep an eye on him.

I have never felt threatened by a Mormon missionary on his bike and bow tie. 

I do not feel threatened here by Muslims and they do not wear bedsheets here and you don't carry your 50 Cal with you here in the Philippines.

Like I said before. I live among Muslims and I do not feel threatened. 

I just returned from SM Mall where I expected to see soldiers everywhere since Davao City is on "high alert" To my surprise, none at all. Just regular security guards at the entrances. I don't live in fear here. I'm more cautious back home in LA where I don't go anywhere without my 380. I'm not going to be a victim there. No fear of that here.

But, you are missing the point. "Allah Abkar" is not always a battle cry. Yes, this is what they say, but I'm sure it is said in prayer as well by non radical Muslims. 

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[Kuya John]

5 hours ago, virginprune said:

 Billy no mates types, that want to belong to something, which the recruiters are very good at manipulating.

A lot of good points being said, I am just using one above.

Another point mentioned was multicultural integration, fact is, all over Britain there are towns and cities were they live in closed communities.

Immigrants and refugees tend to live together and become close knit, shunning the British way of life. Even Filipino's  do it to, socialise mainly with Filipinos!

Young people today are becoming disillusioned, those who are not academic face a poor future and unemployment is rife in most western countries.

The minority groups feel they are victims not because of the worldwide situation, but because of their colour race or creed this then becomes a breeding ground for radicalisation in the poorer communities. They come with set idea's of what life will be like, only to find in reality you only get out of life what you put into it.

I worry for my Children and grandchildren if only that their future is so much unsure than I have experienced in my life time.

Give people hope for the future, give them a fair distribution of wealth, give them a purpose in life. Don't blame religion for the worlds woe's

Peace on Earth to men of good will, Amen brothers and sisters

[robert k]

4 minutes ago, Kuya John said:

A lot of good points being said, I am just using one above.

Another point mentioned was multicultural integration, fact is, all over Britain there are towns and cities were they live in closed communities.

Immigrants and refugees tend to live together and become close knit, shunning the British way of life. Even Filipino's  do it to, socialise mainly with Filipinos!

Young people today are becoming disillusioned, those who are not academic face a poor future and unemployment is rife in most western countries.

The minority groups feel they are victims not because of the worldwide situation, but because of their colour race or creed this then becomes a breeding ground for radicalisation in the poorer communities. They come with set idea's of what life will be like, only to find in reality you only get out of life what you put into it.

I worry for my Children and grandchildren if only that their future is so much unsure than I have experienced in my life time.

Give people hope for the future, give them a fair distribution of wealth, give them a purpose in life. Don't blame religion for the worlds woe's

Peace on Earth to men of good will, Amen brothers and sisters

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a fair distribution of wealth. One man works, another man, though not disabled does not work. Should they both get the same? One man spends his time studying and always asking why and creates a better mousetrap. Another man thinks of nothing but girls, beer and football? Do they both deserve the same? Equality of outcome IS slavery. Government handouts are charity, not a right. If I went down and demanded my fair share they would laugh me out of the office so they can not be a right. Governments are poorly suited to administering charities, among other things.

[scott h]

1 hour ago, Gratefuled said:

I do not feel threatened here by Muslims

I don't feel threatened by them either, just as I don't feel threatened by teenagers in hoodies hanging around on the streets in our native Southern California, but I sure keep an eye on them.