Right to bear arms.

[mogo51]

On 10/3/2017 at 3:46 PM, scott h said:

Preface: I have never owned a gun in my life, had lots issued to me, but having said that.

Steve its an American thing. To really understand it you need to get to know folks that are not from the big  cities, places like Wyoming, or Texas, or west Virginia. It is as part of their culture as saying yes by raising the eyebrows is to a Filipino. 

Not if its kept polite and civil Dave

Not in my mind, when 59 people are killed by a lunatic firing into crowds of people trying to enjoy a concert, then it is very relevant.

As Scott says it is a culture in US, but that culture needs to change/  I wonder what is the figure for killings for it to become unacceptable and above the point of 'right to bear arms'?

[OnMyWay]

11 hours ago, MikeB said:

This is a video from the company that makes the "butt stock", the device Paddock used to murder 58. It's a (currently) legal device that converts a legal semi-automatic into an illegal weapon. I think the patriotic references, imagery, and music is a little over the top, jmo. 

“Jefferson and Paine, Adams, Madison, Mason and Franklin. I think they're looking down right now at us. I think they understand what we're trying to do.”

Uh yea, make as much money as we can before the spineless politicians finally capitulate and close the loophole on this "finely crafted device" that never should have been allowed in the first place. Senate bill has been introduced to ban it. I imagine they're doing a brisk business.

 

I would agree that these should not be allowed, but I have read that there are many ways to modify the semi-automatics to almost fully automatic, so it may not solve that issue.  Apparently the law that allows these was enacted during the Obama years.  Why, I don't know.  

 

[Old55]

Ron, it's not in our culture to massacre large number of concert goers. I know that's not how you intended what you said but please lets all speak with care and respect.

FWIW Ron I think you and I feel exactly the same.

 

Edited October 6, 2017 by Old55

[OnMyWay]

7 hours ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

In this news article it say the shooter bought 30 guns in October 2016.

I saw the ATF comment that federal law does not require this kind of flagging for long guns but there is something for hand guns!  I agree that if an individual is buying a lot of guns it should flag up some extra scrutiny for mental illness, etc.

[Jake]

2 hours ago, Reboot said:

"City codes" over personal ammo storage? Now I know you're from some place like what I mentioned earlier.

 

Personal ammo?  I believe that's enough for at least a company of grunts (3-6 platoons).  My question about having a fire suppression system or city code was rhetorical in nature (sarcasm).  I'm sure he would be arrested for having that amount due to the potential danger to the community of having his whole inventory "cook off" during a garage fire.  

His only concern that he maintains the image of the neighborhood Rambo because he's got the latest and greatest shoot 'em, bang-bang toys and you don't want to piss him off.

I would still drop a dime on him if I was living next door.  

[Old55]

Just now, OnMyWay said:

I saw the ATF comment that federal law does not require this kind of flagging for long guns but there is something for hand guns!  I agree that if an individual is buying a lot of guns it should flag up some extra scrutiny for mental illness, etc.

I would agree a very reasonable thing in fact this is not asking too much and could prevent a number of problems.

I know of several people who own over 20 guns. One is an avid hunter the others are collectors and shooters. Shooters as in very active in local gun clubs that hold events and competitions. The large company I work for has an active gun club.

[Old55]

Jake, do you know of any legal ordinances (pun) preventing large quantities of go bang toys?

Honestly I don't think there are in the area I live in. I could own and store large quality's of ammunition. It's not too unusual for the fire department to suspend home fire suppression due to ammo cooking off in a house fire. 

[Jake]

6 minutes ago, Old55 said:

Jake, do you know of any legal ordinances (pun) preventing large quantities of go bang toys?

Honestly I don't think there are in the area I live in. I could own and store large quality's of ammunition. It's not too unusual for the fire department to suspend home fire suppression due to ammo cooking off in a house fire. 

No Dan, I'm not aware of any laws pertaining to storage of large quantities of ammo.  But if I did have the money to own guns and ammo of that amount, I would at least install a burglar and fire alarm for my garage.  I would also hide it from public view.  Nor will I advertise on social media.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Jake

[Reboot]

My grandfather was born in Cuba.

He started from next to nothing, sixth grade education, raised in a slum with 10 siblings, and that's it. 

He worked at a printing operation, repairing the machinery. They printed everything from magazines to cigar labels. It was a good job.

My grandmother could type like nobody's business. She won a national competition. It helped her get a job at the national bank as a secretary.

My father had everything when he was a boy. Lots of toys. They had a TV set before most American family's did. They had a good life. Grandma bought him everything and could afford to.

My grandfather also had a gun. It was just a revolver and for basic self protection. He was a person who obeyed the law. When the Cuban government required people to register their weapons, he followed the law and complied.

Then Castro took over. He lied when he said he was just fighting to restore the Cuban constitution. He hid the fact that he was a Commie until he had acquired enough power. Then the monster made himself known.

And, thanks to the previous regime's gun registration, Castro had a list of every armed citizen in the country.

Those filthy communists went around and disarmed the country off that list. They collected all those guns, including my grandfather's.

In the mid sixties, he had to surrender a lot more than his gun.

They made him turn over the keys to his house in Havana's suburbs, as well as the keys to the 57 Buick that belonged to my grandmother.

So now the family is in the United States and has been since well before I was born. Others weren't so lucky.

I'm not a long time American, since my family is only a relatively recent arrival to this country. But I am at heart. I strongly approve to our right to keep and bear arms, and not just revolvers, but much more than that.

Because never again folks. The people must be armed.

 

Edited October 6, 2017 by Reboot

[AlwaysRt]

12 hours ago, MikeB said:

This is a video from the company that makes the "butt stock", the device Paddock used to murder 58. It's a (currently) legal device that converts a legal semi-automatic into an illegal weapon. I think the patriotic references, imagery, and music is a little over the top, jmo. 

“Jefferson and Paine, Adams, Madison, Mason and Franklin. I think they're looking down right now at us. I think they understand what we're trying to do.”

Uh yea, make as much money as we can before the spineless politicians finally capitulate and close the loophole on this "finely crafted device" that never should have been allowed in the first place. Senate bill has been introduced to ban it. I imagine they're doing a brisk business.

 

I learned to shoot and handle a rifle responsibly at 6 years old, am a former US Marine, lifetime member of the NRA, Gun Owners of America, 50 Caliber Shooter's Association, US Practical Shooting Association, and the International Practical Shooting Confederation. I have owned, carried, and used many different firearms for different reasons, none of which were ever illegal. 

It is with that background/perspective that I say... I find this advertisement video stupid, consider the modification stupid, and have no idea why it was approved for sale - and totally dumbfounded that it was approved under the Obama administration.