Jake Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 In my research, I've found a really good site with some very handy recommendations for those with dual citizenship that I will work to adopt. (safety measures on Question 11)http://www.richw.org...html#moveabroadHere is said of the only disadvantages of dual citizenshpAre there any disadvantages to dual US/other citizenship? Aside from the possibility that one or the other country might decide to impose distasteful restrictions on you because they consider you to be one of their citizens, there are at least two issues that you might (or might not) see as causes for concern. If your line of work requires you to have a security clearance for accessing classified US government information, you may very possibly find that actively acquiring or retaining a foreign citizenship may cause you to be refused clearance (or may cause a clearance you already have to be revoked). If this might affect you, you would be well advised to consult with a knowledgeable lawyer. If you are seriously planning to seek a political office in the US -- especially in the federal government -- it is extremely possible that having a second citizenship may be a serious liability. Your opponent will almost certainly be sorely tempted to (mis)represent your status for his/her own political gain -- questioning your loyalty to the US and your suitability for office -- and any efforts on your part to explain or justify your situation are likely to fall on deaf ears. This is less likely to be an issue if you are running for a state or local office. Since my wife has none of these interests, I'm still searching for any disadvantages. There are risks that things might change. The free entry and stay in both countries, the ability to use whatever passport offers the best advantage, along with the ability to vote in both is a great benefit. Hello Gold Heart, I appreciate your homework regarding this matter of dual citizenship. Both you and Art have provided much needed information for Filipino expats to make a more intelligent decision based on your research. I haven't decided yet on whether to apply for 13G (returning Filipinos with foreign passports) and pay annual renewals or dual citizenship and eliminate that hassle all together. One thing that caught my eye was tax on "income earned in the Philippines". I'm not sure if that means monthly deposits generated from military pensions to a US bank and then electronically transferred to some bank in PI for our periodic withdrawals. It doesn't sound like income earned in the Philippines but I will not assume that until someone quotes more further clarifications. I rememberreading somewhere that US and Philippines has an agreement about preventing double taxation. I don't mind paying US income taxon my military pension if it's above a certain amount. Anyway, good post guys -- we need to do our own homework to assist eachother. Respectfully -- Joaquin (Jake) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abw Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 A former Philippine citizen should just get their dual-citizenship. It's easier to get at the Phil consulate while you're still in your foreign country. With dual-citizenship there is no need for any visa ever.http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmwhat are the pros and cons of dual citzenship besides no visa ever? how about being taxed on income, land, house, etc...? .Here's probably the biggest "CON" and I think it's missing and wasn't mentioned on the link you used and I know I read it somewhere, concerning about if you have Dual Citizenship, you waive your U.S. rights when you are under the Philippine Constitution and their local laws, because since you are now a Filipino citizen and entered the Philippines using your Philippine passport, you are bound by and fall under the jurisdiction of the Philippine local laws and that the U.S. government can no longer help, assist or intervene on your behalf if you break any laws in the Philippines and are incarcerate in a Filipino jail! Are you willing to give up your U.S. rights? That's what you are doing when you have dual citizenship! Something to ponder about huh? Just think if you were faultlessly accused of a crime in the Philippines, because some one didn't like you and just wanted to make life difficult for you? They will throw you in jail and ask questions later while you're already behind bars! And the U.S. government can not intervene or help you in any way!This topic is under "Laws and Regulations for Foreigners"! Think about it, you are no longer a "foreigner", now that you are a "Filipino citizen"!And further more, once you have been convicted of a crime and you are incarcerated, the U.S. Government can and will suspend any U.S. Government pensions that you may have and hold it until your release from prison! Isn't that just a wonderful thought? And here's the final kicker of them all! What if there is a revolution in this country, do you know where you just put yourself in on the priority list of evacuees? None, because you are now a Filipino citizen on Filipino soil and can be involuntarily recruited to defend and protect the sovereignty and constitution of the Philippines from all domestic and foreign aggression, because remember, you swore an "oath of allegiance" stating so when you applied for Dual Citizenship! Am I right or wrong? Can anyone confirm what I have just written here? I just forgot where I read this piece of information from, because I'm not making all this up! It's for real! Correct me if I'm wrong! Art, I'd have to respectfully disagree regarding a foreign national's rights and privileges whilst residing in the Philippines (or for any other country for that matter). The U.S. (or any other country) does not have any jurisdiction outside of the U.S. My understanding is that, if you were to get in trouble with the law, your consulate will possibly provide you with a list of recommended lawyers (to be paid for by yourself). A representative of the your Consulate may or may not visit you in jail. And they'll normally contact your next of kin. Your Consulate will not give legal advice, nor intervene in Philippine laws whilst you residing there. This applies whether you are a tourist or a residing in the Philippines, or as a dual citizen. Once you are in the Philippines, you are bound by Philippine laws.I don't see why a dual citizen can't register with the U.S. (or U.K. or Australian) Consulate once in the Philippines, as long as you still hold a passport from that country.Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Heart Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 [Hello Gold Heart, I appreciate your homework regarding this matter of dual citizenship. Both you and Art have provided much needed information for Filipino expats to make a more intelligent decision based on your research. I haven't decided yet on whether to apply for 13G (returning Filipinos with foreign passports) and pay annual renewals or dual citizenship and eliminate that hassle all together. One thing that caught my eye was tax on "income earned in the Philippines". I'm not sure if that means monthly deposits generated from military pensions to a US bank and then electronically transferred to some bank in PI for our periodic withdrawals. It doesn't sound like income earned in the Philippines but I will not assume that until someone quotes more further clarifications. I rememberreading somewhere that US and Philippines has an agreement about preventing double taxation. I don't mind paying US income taxon my military pension if it's above a certain amount. Anyway, good post guys -- we need to do our own homework to assist eachother. Respectfully -- Joaquin (Jake) Pension incomes are not earned here, they are earned in the country of origin and taxes are paid there. US government and corporate pensions are taxed in the US. The deposits in local banks are not subject to tax. Just like in the US, they are sometimes used in audit situations. Interest earned in local banks is taxed directly -- unlike in the US where it is paid at the time of tax filing. Under any circustance of visa, if you make money here, as a dual 13G, 13A, etc. you are expected to pay taxes. There is no distinct difference in that regard for dual citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Heart Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Art, I'd have to respectfully disagree regarding a foreign national's rights and privileges whilst residing in the Philippines (or for any other country for that matter). The U.S. (or any other country) does not have any jurisdiction outside of the U.S. My understanding is that, if you were to get in trouble with the law, your consulate will possibly provide you with a list of recommended lawyers (to be paid for by yourself). A representative of the your Consulate may or may not visit you in jail. And they'll normally contact your next of kin. Your Consulate will not give legal advice, nor intervene in Philippine laws whilst you residing there. This applies whether you are a tourist or a residing in the Philippines, or as a dual citizen. Once you are in the Philippines, you are bound by Philippine laws.I don't see why a dual citizen can't register with the U.S. (or U.K. or Australian) Consulate once in the Philippines, as long as you still hold a passport from that country.AndrewAndrew, Upon my research I totally agree with you. First the rights of US Citizenship are NOT denied to Duals. Second the ability for the US government to assist you if arrested here is very limited. This is the specific assistance they provide from the US State Departments own web site: http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/tips_1232.html#assistanceArrests AbroadWhen you are in a foreign country, you are subject to its laws, and American officials are limited as to how they can assist you. They cannot, for instance, represent you in legal proceedings or pay your legal fees or other expenses. They can, however, perform a variety of vital services, which include providing a list of attorneys, assisting in contacting your family in the U.S. if you wish it, helping you obtain money from family in the U.S., and monitoring your health and welfare and the conditions under which you are being held. If you are arrested, immediately ask to speak to a consular officer at the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. Under international agreements, the U.S. Government has a right to provide consular assistance to you upon your request. If your request to speak to your consul is turned down, keep asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Heart Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 And further more, once you have been convicted of a crime and you are incarcerated, the U.S. Government can and will suspend any U.S. Government pensions that you may have and hold it until your release from prison! Isn't that just a wonderful thought? These comments have so many interesting elements to fully understand and learn from. I never looked into the aspects of conviction, imprisonment, etc. and the impact on pension.Here is what I learned so far from the US Social Security site (http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10133.html_ I would have to think miltary pensions are under the same rules. I'll have to check my corporate pension.First: There is no difference for dual citizens, permanent residents, any variations of visa arrangements, or US Citizens living in the US. So this is not Dual related. So whatever you status and location -- you must stay clean in the eyes of US.Second: You are correct, Social Security benefits are not paid for the months you have been sentenced to a jail, prison or correctional facility or confined to certain public institutions for committing a crime. And, no benefits can be paid for any month in which you violate a condition of your probation or parole. Although you cannot receive monthly Social Security benefit payments while you are confined, your spouse or children can be paid benefits on your record if they are eligible.Third: If in fact you were imprisoned or convicted here, I'm not sure the US would necessarilly even know about it unless you involved the US State department. Maybe an instance where a dual is an advantage? Lower your cost of living, learn some Michael Jackson steps, and continue to collect you government pension. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art2ro Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) A former Philippine citizen should just get their dual-citizenship. It's easier to get at the Phil consulate while you're still in your foreign country. With dual-citizenship there is no need for any visa ever.http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmwhat are the pros and cons of dual citzenship besides no visa ever? how about being taxed on income, land, house, etc...? .Here's probably the biggest "con" and I think it's missing and wasn't mentioned on the link you used and I know I read it somewhere, concerning about if you have Dual Citizenship, you waive your U.S. rights when you are under the Philippine Constitution and their local laws, because since you are now a Filipino citizen and entered the Philippines using your Philippine passport, you are bound by and fall under the jurisdiction of the Philippine local laws and that the U.S. government can no longer help, assist or intervene on your behalf if you break any laws in the Philippines and are incarcerate in a Filipino jail! Are you willing to give up your U.S. rights? That's what you are doing when you have dual citizenship! Something to ponder about huh? Just think if you were faultlessly accused of a crime in the Philippines, because some one didn't like you and just wanted to make life difficult for you? They will throw you in jail and ask questions later while you're already behind bars! And the U.S. government can not intervene or help you in any way!My wife just obtained her Philippines passport recently here in the Philippines. Although she had obtained her dual citizenship before we left in the US, she did not have her Philippines passport when entering the Philippines when we moved in July, 2009. She entered with her US passport and a Balibiyan visa. Do you think this applies to her? My son born before my wife was a US Citizen is both a full Filipino and American citizen by birth. When entering the Philippines in July, both his US and Philippine passports were presented and stamped. Is he entitled to US protection? Of couse he is a child below the age of conscent. These are complex issues. I wonder if there is a way to make these inquiries with the US state department.Gold Heart,Here's what it says in the FAQs section under item#7 paragraph 1 & 2 at this link: http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmWhat are the duties and obligations of Filipinos who re-acquire Philippine citizenship?A person who re-acquires Filipino citizenship has, among others, the following duties and obligations: 1. To pay taxes on income earned in the Philippines. 2. "Support and defend the Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines and obey the laws and legal orders promulgated by the duly constitutedauthorities of the Philippines…,recognize and accept the supreme authority of the Philippines and maintain true faith and allegiance.". You swore an Oath of Allegiance under RA 9225, so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport! This is a subject worthy of discussion and perhaps further research.In the list 1-2 paying taxes on income earned here (regardless of citizenship) is expected, As well as supporting and defending the constitution that was pledged. However, Art, I do not see the item in Green is the substance of this issue on the web site. Please point me to the source. In fact I see the opposite in the Q&A on this web site. There may be a conflict. Here is what is on the site:"A person will not lose his/her U.S. citizenship by merely pledging allegiance to another county. Such act can result in loss of U.S. citizenship only if done with an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Since applicants for dual citizenship under this law generally do so with every intention to keep their U.S. citizenship and enjoy the benefits of citizenship in both countries, they are in no way intending to relinquish their U.S. citizenship.Moreover, NAFFAA assures that American citizenship is not easily lost and is protected under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states that "all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall.. deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law."U.S. government sources recognize that "dual nationality" or "dual citizenship" can and does occur as a matter of fact, when the laws of the U.S. and another country simultaneously recognize an individual as their citizen."It appears as thought a dual citizenship enjoys the proviledges of being a citizen of both countries. (e.g. voting, entry, etc. ) In addition, my son is a full citizen of both until the age of consent so clearly the benefits of both apply to him.The portion in Green "so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport" was only my personal opinion the way I read the meaning of if you swore an oath of an allegiance to the Republic of Philippines upon applying for dual citizenship, you are in all practical common sense, waiving your U.S. rights when you are on Philippine soil and the same goes, when you are on U.S. soil, you retain all of your U.S. rights again because you are again on American soil and your Philippine passport with their worthless and ambiguous local laws isn't worth "squat" in the United States of America! Pretty much common sense in my understanding and don't need any link or reference to refer it to! I've been a "common sense" type of person all of my entire adult life and I don't like to complicate things or whatever it is in my life in my past, today or tomorrow, period!!!!!!You know guys, when I get old and decrepit, can't get around anymore, that's the day when I'll apply for my "Dual Citizenship", because I won't have any reasons to leave the country anymore when I'm on my death bed waiting for the grim reaper to take me away to lala land! :thumbs-up-smile: Edited February 5, 2010 by Art & Jho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 [Hello Gold Heart, I appreciate your homework regarding this matter of dual citizenship. Both you and Art have provided much needed information for Filipino expats to make a more intelligent decision based on your research. I haven't decided yet on whether to apply for 13G (returning Filipinos with foreign passports) and pay annual renewals or dual citizenship and eliminate that hassle all together. One thing that caught my eye was tax on "income earned in the Philippines". I'm not sure if that means monthly deposits generated from military pensions to a US bank and then electronically transferred to some bank in PI for our periodic withdrawals. It doesn't sound like income earned in the Philippines but I will not assume that until someone quotes more further clarifications. I rememberreading somewhere that US and Philippines has an agreement about preventing double taxation. I don't mind paying US income taxon my military pension if it's above a certain amount. Anyway, good post guys -- we need to do our own homework to assist eachother. Respectfully -- Joaquin (Jake) Pension incomes are not earned here, they are earned in the country of origin and taxes are paid there. US government and corporate pensions are taxed in the US. The deposits in local banks are not subject to tax. Just like in the US, they are sometimes used in audit situations. Interest earned in local banks is taxed directly -- unlike in the US where it is paid at the time of tax filing. Under any circustance of visa, if you make money here, as a dual 13G, 13A, etc. you are expected to pay taxes. There is no distinct difference in that regard for dual citizens. Thank you Gold Heart for shedding some light on the matter of taxation. I guess even running some monkey business is subjectto PI taxes. The only business that I want to pursue would be taking care of my wife Judy, running errands and being her personalkatulong (house maid)! Boss Man -- please be advised that you run a tight ship with challenging and interesting posts. I would also like to express myappreciation for all the assistance that your staff has given to us. Gold Heart, Lee, Sampaguita and yourself (did I miss anyone) deserve some sort of recognition. Too bad, Judy and I will be missing your upcoming blow out in Cebu next month. We would love to meet you guys! Respectfully -- Joaquin (Jake) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UZI Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) A former Philippine citizen should just get their dual-citizenship. It's easier to get at the Phil consulate while you're still in your foreign country. With dual-citizenship there is no need for any visa ever.http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmwhat are the pros and cons of dual citzenship besides no visa ever? how about being taxed on income, land, house, etc...? .Here's probably the biggest "con" and I think it's missing and wasn't mentioned on the link you used and I know I read it somewhere, concerning about if you have Dual Citizenship, you waive your U.S. rights when you are under the Philippine Constitution and their local laws, because since you are now a Filipino citizen and entered the Philippines using your Philippine passport, you are bound by and fall under the jurisdiction of the Philippine local laws and that the U.S. government can no longer help, assist or intervene on your behalf if you break any laws in the Philippines and are incarcerate in a Filipino jail! Are you willing to give up your U.S. rights? That's what you are doing when you have dual citizenship! Something to ponder about huh? Just think if you were faultlessly accused of a crime in the Philippines, because some one didn't like you and just wanted to make life difficult for you? They will throw you in jail and ask questions later while you're already behind bars! And the U.S. government can not intervene or help you in any way!Gold Heart,Here's what it says in the FAQs section under item#7 paragraph 1 & 2 at this link: http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmWhat are the duties and obligations of Filipinos who re-acquire Philippine citizenship?A person who re-acquires Filipino citizenship has, among others, the following duties and obligations: 1. To pay taxes on income earned in the Philippines. 2. "Support and defend the Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines and obey the laws and legal orders promulgated by the duly constitutedauthorities of the Philippines…,recognize and accept the supreme authority of the Philippines and maintain true faith and allegiance.". You swore an Oath of Allegiance under RA 9225, so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport! This is a subject worthy of discussion and perhaps further research.In the list 1-2 paying taxes on income earned here (regardless of citizenship) is expected, As well as supporting and defending the constitution that was pledged. However, Art, I do not see the item in Green is the substance of this issue on the web site. Please point me to the source. In fact I see the opposite in the Q&A on this web site. There may be a conflict. Here is what is on the site:"A person will not lose his/her U.S. citizenship by merely pledging allegiance to another county. Such act can result in loss of U.S. citizenship only if done with an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Since applicants for dual citizenship under this law generally do so with every intention to keep their U.S. citizenship and enjoy the benefits of citizenship in both countries, they are in no way intending to relinquish their U.S. citizenship.Moreover, NAFFAA assures that American citizenship is not easily lost and is protected under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states that "all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall.. deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law."U.S. government sources recognize that "dual nationality" or "dual citizenship" can and does occur as a matter of fact, when the laws of the U.S. and another country simultaneously recognize an individual as their citizen."It appears as thought a dual citizenship enjoys the proviledges of being a citizen of both countries. (e.g. voting, entry, etc. ) In addition, my son is a full citizen of both until the age of consent so clearly the benefits of both apply to him. (quote name='Art & Jho']The portion in Green "so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport" was only my personal opinion the way I read the meaning of if you swore an oath of an allegiance to the Republic of Philippines upon applying for dual citizenship, you are in all practical common sense, waiving your U.S. rights when you are on Philippine soil and the same goes, when you are on U.S. soil, you retain all of your U.S. rights again because you are again on American soil and your Philippine passport with their worthless and ambiguous local laws isn't worth "squat" in the United States of America! Pretty much common sense in my understanding and don't need any link or reference to refer it to! I've been a "common sense" type of person all of my entire adult life and I don't like to complicate things or whatever it is in my life in my past, today or tomorrow, period!!!!!!You know guys, when I get old and decrepit, can't get around anymore, that's the day when I'll apply for my "Dual Citizenship", because I won't have any reasons to leave the country anymore when I'm on my death bed waiting for the grim reaper to take me away to lala land! :thumbs-up-smile: Guys,So is it the consensus, that there are NO real CONS to being a dual citizen? That a dual citizen in fact would receive the same Embassy support here as a US (or other) citizen? Are there any real PRO's to not becoming Dual?Or have I missed the point somewhere Edited February 5, 2010 by TAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art2ro Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) A former Philippine citizen should just get their dual-citizenship. It's easier to get at the Phil consulate while you're still in your foreign country. With dual-citizenship there is no need for any visa ever.http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmwhat are the pros and cons of dual citzenship besides no visa ever? how about being taxed on income, land, house, etc...? .Here's probably the biggest "con" and I think it's missing and wasn't mentioned on the link you used and I know I read it somewhere, concerning about if you have Dual Citizenship, you waive your U.S. rights when you are under the Philippine Constitution and their local laws, because since you are now a Filipino citizen and entered the Philippines using your Philippine passport, you are bound by and fall under the jurisdiction of the Philippine local laws and that the U.S. government can no longer help, assist or intervene on your behalf if you break any laws in the Philippines and are incarcerate in a Filipino jail! Are you willing to give up your U.S. rights? That's what you are doing when you have dual citizenship! Something to ponder about huh? Just think if you were faultlessly accused of a crime in the Philippines, because some one didn't like you and just wanted to make life difficult for you? They will throw you in jail and ask questions later while you're already behind bars! And the U.S. government can not intervene or help you in any way!Gold Heart,Here's what it says in the FAQs section under item#7 paragraph 1 & 2 at this link: http://www.philippin...citizenship.htmWhat are the duties and obligations of Filipinos who re-acquire Philippine citizenship?A person who re-acquires Filipino citizenship has, among others, the following duties and obligations: 1. To pay taxes on income earned in the Philippines. 2. "Support and defend the Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines and obey the laws and legal orders promulgated by the duly constitutedauthorities of the Philippines…,recognize and accept the supreme authority of the Philippines and maintain true faith and allegiance.". You swore an Oath of Allegiance under RA 9225, so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport! This is a subject worthy of discussion and perhaps further research.In the list 1-2 paying taxes on income earned here (regardless of citizenship) is expected, As well as supporting and defending the constitution that was pledged. However, Art, I do not see the item in Green is the substance of this issue on the web site. Please point me to the source. In fact I see the opposite in the Q&A on this web site. There may be a conflict. Here is what is on the site:"A person will not lose his/her U.S. citizenship by merely pledging allegiance to another county. Such act can result in loss of U.S. citizenship only if done with an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Since applicants for dual citizenship under this law generally do so with every intention to keep their U.S. citizenship and enjoy the benefits of citizenship in both countries, they are in no way intending to relinquish their U.S. citizenship.Moreover, NAFFAA assures that American citizenship is not easily lost and is protected under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states that "all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall.. deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law."U.S. government sources recognize that "dual nationality" or "dual citizenship" can and does occur as a matter of fact, when the laws of the U.S. and another country simultaneously recognize an individual as their citizen."It appears as thought a dual citizenship enjoys the proviledges of being a citizen of both countries. (e.g. voting, entry, etc. ) In addition, my son is a full citizen of both until the age of consent so clearly the benefits of both apply to him. (quote name='Art & Jho']The portion in Green "so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport" was only my personal opinion the way I read the meaning of if you swore an oath of an allegiance to the Republic of Philippines upon applying for dual citizenship, you are in all practical common sense, waiving your U.S. rights when you are on Philippine soil and the same goes, when you are on U.S. soil, you retain all of your U.S. rights again because you are again on American soil and your Philippine passport with their worthless and ambiguous local laws isn't worth "squat" in the United States of America! Pretty much common sense in my understanding and don't need any link or reference to refer it to! I've been a "common sense" type of person all of my entire adult life and I don't like to complicate things or whatever it is in my life in my past, today or tomorrow, period!!!!!!You know guys, when I get old and decrepit, can't get around anymore, that's the day when I'll apply for my "Dual Citizenship", because I won't have any reasons to leave the country anymore when I'm on my death bed waiting for the grim reaper to take me away to lala land! :thumbs-up-smile: Guys,So is it the consensus, that there are NO real CONS to being a dual citizen? That a dual citizen in fact would receive the same Embassy support here as a US (or other) citizen? Are there any real PRO's to not becoming Dual?Or have I missed the point somewhere YUP! YOU MISS THE POINT SOMEWHERE!:SugarwareZ-037: WHAT WAS THE LONG DISCUSSION ALL ABOUT THEN? THERE WILL ALWAYS BE "CONS" ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, DON'T DENY IT! HEY! THIS IS THE PHILIPPINES! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? BUT MORE IMMIGRATION BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE!!!!!!! IT'S JUST A BIG PAIN IN THE _SS!!!!!!! ALL WE CAN DO IS GRIN AND BARE IT OR TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT OR JUST GO BACK TO YOUR HOME COUNTRY! IT'S YOUR CHOICE!!! NO PUN OR INSULT INTENDED!!!!!BUT WHAT CAN WE DO???????? BUT LIVE WITH IT!!! END OF DISCUSSION! Edited February 5, 2010 by Art & Jho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Heart Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) The portion in Green "so you have no protection under the U.S. Civil Rights or U.S. Constitution! Basically, you waived your U.S. rights, because you are on Philippine soil and are now a Filipino according to your Philippine passport" was only my personal opinion the way I read the meaning of if you swore an oath of an allegiance to the Republic of Philippines upon applying for dual citizenship, you are in all practical common sense, waiving your U.S. rights when you are on Philippine soil and the same goes, when you are on U.S. soil, you retain all of your U.S. rights again because you are again on American soil and your Philippine passport with their worthless and ambiguous local laws isn't worth "squat" in the United States of America! Pretty much common sense in my understanding and don't need any link or reference to refer it to! I've been a "common sense" type of person all of my entire adult life and I don't like to complicate things or whatever it is in my life in my past, today or tomorrow, period!!!!!!You know guys, when I get old and decrepit, can't get around anymore, that's the day when I'll apply for my "Dual Citizenship", because I won't have any reasons to leave the country anymore when I'm on my death bed waiting for the grim reaper to take me away to lala land! I believe in this case, the law goes against common sense. From all my reading, you are given full protection as a US citizen. You can pledge allegiance to the Philippines and other countries, that does not deny you citizenship and all the rights it provides. The Supremen court as the highest authority has already ruled on this. There are some safeguards recommended to ensure you enjoy this priviledge.The one area that you are right about, is that there is some risk. Both countries can change their laws. Even though the US Supreme court has ruled on this guaranteeing full citizenship protection under the law. They recently overturned a 100 year old ruling on the ability to control corporations speech. They could overturn this ruling some day. The other risk is for those who may choose to some day get into politics. Having clean US Citizenship is a way to prevent problems and avoid issues. Proof in point is what the current US president is going through. Edited February 5, 2010 by Gold Heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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