OnMyWay Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 You need to read or skim all of this post to get the context. Long but worth it! ========= First, I saw the following at a FB page that JGF won't let me post directly. ========= Bureau of Immigration Ex-Chief of Legal, Arvin Cesar Santos, who was arrested and charged by the Manila Prosecutors office for Graft and Corruption during his term, has revealed detailed information of a corrupt syndicate of prosecutors between the DOJ Prosecutors and the Bureau of Immigration Legal Department. The Ex-Chief of Legal Arvin Cesar Santos said: "I will tell all, I am not taking the fall for everyone, I was a small part of a good old boys network". This criminal syndicate consists of DOJ and Immigration Prosecutors that were classmates, alumni, and fraternity brothers from Law Universities. These brothers, which I was a part of, controlled the fate of hundreds of foreigners charged with immigration violations. These foreigners were detained until they paid, they either paid us or if they appealed our negative decisions to the DOJ Prosecutors, they would have to pay them to get a positive decision in their favor. If foreigner case files were reviewed over the past 4 years, they will see that no hearing before the Special Board of Inquiry was ever heard, only 3 cases of bail were ever granted and those 3 had to pay 100k under the table to get them approved! We made it crystal clear, no bail was granted! Arvin Cesar Santos with remorse in his voice told that "these poor foreigners were denied bail at immigration and denied bail at the DOJ, we would make sure no one got bail, this would break their will power, force them to pay big money!" Their cases were administrative in nature, if they did have criminal charges in the courts, they had already granted bail, but we denied them anyway so that we could fill our pockets. The ex-chief of legal admitted that if the foreigner resisted or filed complaints with any agency like the Ombudsman or Office of the President, we would retaliate by losing filings and motions, delay answering until the last possible minute, place their file at the bottom always, never seeing the surface. We would make a simple resolution last years, all the while, the foreigner remains at the Bicutan Immigration Detention Center. "If they complained against our brothers, we would make the foreigner and his family suffer, we gave a clear message, resist and you will suffer!" When asked who was involved in this criminal syndicate of prosecutors, Arvin Cesar Santos replied: "Take your pick, who would refuse payoffs of 300,000 - 2,000,000 PhP?" Every prosecutor at the DOJ that handles Immigration Appeals and the Immigration Legal Department is involved! All this going on right under the nose of DOJ Secretary Leila De Lima. Arvin Cesar Santos stated: "If the case files of foreigners that had cases on appeal were ever reviewed, they would find cases of arbitrary decisions." When asked for an example, Arvin Cesar Santos described a case of an Indian national who paid 2.2 million PhP in November 2013 to DOJ prosecutors to overturn his Summary Deportation Order. Thangam Madhana Gopal was charged with being an overstaying alien and in possession of fraudulent immigration papers/visa stamps, married to a Filipina with 2 children. He had been convicted of crimes involving moral turpitude, hoarding, black marketing or profiteering and was set for deportation. Thangam Madhana Gopal's release was based on humanitarian reasons. The Indian's resolution only took a few months because of the large payoff. Arvin Cesar Santos could not remember names but he said an Estonian who was 17 years overstaying and had several criminal cases pending in the courts was issued a release order by the DOJ Prosecutors but there is a recent case with an American businessman who was 2 months overstaying and has yet to be arraigned on a minor criminal charge, has been denied bail and his Summary Deportation Order upheld by the DOJ Prosecutors because he filed a complaint about a corrupt BI Prosecutor, Mark Anthony Antonio, that was handling his case and was fired from the Bureau of Immigration; some of his classmates are DOJ Prosecutors that were handling his case when it was appealed. They upheld the SDO not because of its merits but because they were going to punish this American for complaining. Arvin Cesar Santos also disclosed another case that is presently in the DOJ Prosecutors Office on appeal for a Summary Deportation Order issued by the Bureau of Immigration. He states: "A Greek businessman that owns a call center in Cebu that employs hundreds of Filipinos was illegally arrested and detained by BI, he has no visa violation and his passport was in order, he had no criminal case in the Philippines." He was charged as being an "undesirable alien" because of a mere letter from the USA embassy asking to validate his entry into the Philippines and if his passport was authentic, allegedly a fugitive but no authenticated copies of the arrest warrant were ever produced. The Greek embassy verified his passport and citizenship was authentic, BI verified that all his visa renewals were confirmed legitimate. "We tried to squeeze him for millions of pesos but he refused to pay." Instead, the Greek businessman started filing criminal complaints against various BI officials which included ex-Commissioner Ricardo David Jr., ex-Special Prosecutor Liza Julie Interior Madera, ex-Chief of Intelligence Marie Antonette Bucasas Mangrobang, Executive Director Eric Dimaculangan and Field Agent Armello De Castro. Most have either resigned, were reshuffled or presently being investigated by the Commission on Human Rights and will be charged. His current appeal at the DOJ has been in review for almost a year, add in the 6 months prior in the Bicutan Immigration Detention Center, "he has been detained for over 16 months and he has not violated any laws." Arvin Cesar Santos added that "This Greek businessman will be made to suffer as long as the DOJ prosecutors can drag out his case." They want reciprocity for him causing problems and filing complaints. He is one of the reasons the BI Bicutan money making machine has halted. He has cost corrupt BI officials millions of pesos in payoffs. Commissioner Siegfred Mison continues to say publically "come forward and tell us who these corrupt BI officials are, so that we may deal with them" but complaints are filed, evidence presented and yet the corrupt BI officials are either reshuffled or left in the same positions. The foreigner complaining is the one punished! Arvin Cesar Santos said: "The list of cases are endless, there was No Due Process of Law, every case has human rights violations and I knew it all, now I am in fear for my life. I know too much about the corrupt officials at BI and the DOJ Prosecutors Office. If I do not reveal all now, I will be executed in the streets or they will go after my family, we are currently in hiding! The Philippine Press will not run my story; we all know how the Philippine Media is controlled. I must reveal all just to protect myself and my family, I have no choice." ========== So then I searched this guy and a post on the BI FB page popped up. ========== ATTY. ARVIN SANTOS’ STATEMENT Former chief of BI’s Legal Division Atty. Arvin Santos has vehemently denied issuing any statements on which allegations of corruption, including extortion activities committed by Immigration jail guards against detained foreigners, as appeared on the “Foreigners for Justice” website. Santos categorically belied having been interviewed by any member or representative of pseudo-organization of detainees at the BI Warden Facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Bicutan, Taguig City. “I was never interviewed and I never made such statements. In fact, I can attest that since the inception of the administration of Commissioner Siegfred Mison, corrupt practices at the Bureau have been drastically reduced if not eradicated,” Santos said. At the same time, Santos challenged the anonymous source of the group to come forward and substantiate their allegation so that the BI leadership can take proper action against any erring official or employees. Santos added that he is contemplating filing charges before the National Bureau of Investigation against to those who falsely quoted him. -kegc https://www.facebook.com/officialbureauofimmigration/posts/atty-arvin-santos-statementformer-chief-of-bis-legal-division-atty-arvin-santos-/359055030899877/ ========== Then I see that "Foreigners for Justice" has challenged BI on the BI FB page, in the comments of the post above. ========== Foreigners for Justice accept BI Commissioner Siegfred Misons challenge. As per the February 19, 2014, Facebook post/challenge by the Bureau of Immigration Commissioner Siegfred Mison and ex-chief of legal Arvin Cesar Santos. Foreigners for Justice will present witnesses that were previous detainees of The Bureau of Immigration and detainees that are presently illegally detained Because of corruption / extortion from Immigration legal department staff. Commissioner Siegfried Mison on numerous occasions has stated, in the media, that he wants people with information and evidence of corruption/extortion to come forward and present evidence so that he may eliminate corruption inside the Bureau of Immigration. Foreigners for Justice Witnesses will present undeniable evidence of corruption/extortion but only with outside agencies present so that they may conduct their own investigations. We request the following to be present; Commissioner Siegfred Mison, ex-chief of legal Arvin Santos, ex-chief of intelligence Marie Antonette Bucasas Mangrobang to answer allegations of corruption /extortion. We require an Ombudsman prosecutor, Department of Justice Prosecutor, Bureau of Revenue investigator, and a court reporter to take statements, authenticate documents and a certified record of witnesses’ statements. We will have our witnesses, their attorneys, documentation of bank transfers/ certificates, and evidence of corruption/extortion. We will also have certain members of the news media present for public record. The meeting can be done at Bicutan Immigration center, Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig city. Previous detainees of Bicutan Immigration center must be allowed to enter for the purpose of this meeting. Please inform date and time of meeting, provide at least 1 week notice. =============== This is the Foreigners For Justice FB page: https://www.facebook.com/foreigners4Justice/ I didn't read much there yet but there is an article about the Belgium guy we were chatting about in another thread. I hope that this BI corruption story keeps going! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Mike J Posted August 2, 2019 Forum Support Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, OnMyWay said: As per the February 19, 2014, Facebook post/challenge by the Bureau of Immigration Commissioner Siegfred Mison and ex-chief of legal Arvin Cesar Santos. Foreigners for Justice will present witnesses that were previous detainees of The Bureau of Immigration and detainees that are presently illegally detained Because of corruption / extortion from Immigration legal department staff. If nothing since February 2014, sounds like it may have just died away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Peterson Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mike J said: If nothing since February 2014, sounds like it may have just died away? I tend to think this may be the update on the Story; **** Jon T. Hermosisima, July 29 at 1:54 AM · Bureau of Immigration Ex-Chief of Legal, Arvin Cesar Santos, who was arrested and charged by the Manila Prosecutors office for Graft and Corruption during his term, has revealed detailed information of a corrupt syndicate of prosecutors between the DOJ Prosecutors and the Bureau of Immigration Legal Department. The Ex-Chief of Legal Arvin Cesar Santos said: "I will tell all, I am not taking the fall for everyone, I was a small part of a good old boys network". This criminal syndicate consists of DOJ and Immigration Prosecutors that were classmates, alumni, and fraternity brothers from Law Universities. These brothers, which I was a part of, controlled the fate of hundreds of foreigners charged with immigration violations. These foreigners were detained until they paid, they either paid us or if they appealed our negative decisions to the DOJ Prosecutors, they would have to pay them to get a positive decision in their favor. If foreigner case files were reviewed over the past 4 years, they will see that no hearing before the Special Board of Inquiry was ever heard, only 3 cases of bail were ever granted and those 3 had to pay 100k under the table to get them approved! We made it crystal clear, no bail was granted! Arvin Cesar Santos with remorse in his voice told that "these poor foreigners were denied bail at immigration and denied bail at the DOJ, we would make sure no one got bail, this would break their will power, force them to pay big money!" Their cases were administrative in nature, if they did have criminal charges in the courts, they had already granted bail, but we denied them anyway so that we could fill our pockets. The ex-chief of legal admitted that if the foreigner resisted or filed complaints with any agency like the Ombudsman or Office of the President, we would retaliate by losing filings and motions, delay answering until the last possible minute, place their file at the bottom always, never seeing the surface. We would make a simple resolution last years, all the while, the foreigner remains at the Bicutan Immigration Detention Center. "If they complained against our brothers, we would make the foreigner and his family suffer, we gave a clear message, resist and you will suffer!" When asked who was involved in this criminal syndicate of prosecutors, Arvin Cesar Santos replied: "Take your pick, who would refuse payoffs of 300,000 - 2,000,000 PhP?" Every prosecutor at the DOJ that handles Immigration Appeals and the Immigration Legal Department is involved! All this going on right under the nose of DOJ Secretary Leila De Lima. Arvin Cesar Santos stated: "If the case files of foreigners that had cases on appeal were ever reviewed, they would find cases of arbitrary decisions." When asked for an example, Arvin Cesar Santos described a case of an Indian national who paid 2.2 million PhP in November 2013 to DOJ prosecutors to overturn his Summary Deportation Order. Thangam Madhana Gopal was charged with being an overstaying alien and in possession of fraudulent immigration papers/visa stamps, married to a Filipina with 2 children. He had been convicted of crimes involving moral turpitude, hoarding, black marketing or profiteering and was set for deportation. Thangam Madhana Gopal's release was based on humanitarian reasons. The Indian's resolution only took a few months because of the large payoff. Arvin Cesar Santos could not remember names but he said an Estonian who was 17 years overstaying and had several criminal cases pending in the courts was issued a release order by the DOJ Prosecutors but there is a recent case with an American businessman who was 2 months overstaying and has yet to be arraigned on a minor criminal charge, has been denied bail and his Summary Deportation Order upheld by the DOJ Prosecutors because he filed a complaint about a corrupt BI Prosecutor, Mark Anthony Antonio, that was handling his case and was fired from the Bureau of Immigration; some of his classmates are DOJ Prosecutors that were handling his case when it was appealed. They upheld the SDO not because of its merits but because they were going to punish this American for complaining. Arvin Cesar Santos also disclosed another case that is presently in the DOJ Prosecutors Office on appeal for a Summary Deportation Order issued by the Bureau of Immigration. He states: "A Greek businessman that owns a call center in Cebu that employs hundreds of Filipinos was illegally arrested and detained by BI, he has no visa violation and his passport was in order, he had no criminal case in the Philippines." He was charged as being an "undesirable alien" because of a mere letter from the USA embassy asking to validate his entry into the Philippines and if his passport was authentic, allegedly a fugitive but no authenticated copies of the arrest warrant were ever produced. The Greek embassy verified his passport and citizenship was authentic, BI verified that all his visa renewals were confirmed legitimate. "We tried to squeeze him for millions of pesos but he refused to pay." Instead, the Greek businessman started filing criminal complaints against various BI officials which included ex-Commissioner Ricardo David Jr., ex-Special Prosecutor Liza Julie Interior Madera, ex-Chief of Intelligence Marie Antonette Bucasas Mangrobang, Executive Director Eric Dimaculangan and Field Agent Armello De Castro. Most have either resigned, were reshuffled or presently being investigated by the Commission on Human Rights and will be charged. His current appeal at the DOJ has been in review for almost a year, add in the 6 months prior in the Bicutan Immigration Detention Center, "he has been detained for over 16 months and he has not violated any laws." Arvin Cesar Santos added that "This Greek businessman will be made to suffer as long as the DOJ prosecutors can drag out his case." They want reciprocity for him causing problems and filing complaints. He is one of the reasons the BI Bicutan money making machine has halted. He has cost corrupt BI officials millions of pesos in payoffs. Commissioner Siegfred Mison continues to say publically "come forward and tell us who these corrupt BI officials are, so that we may deal with them" but complaints are filed, evidence presented and yet the corrupt BI officials are either reshuffled or left in the same positions. The foreigner complaining is the one punished! Arvin Cesar Santos said: "The list of cases are endless, there was No Due Process of Law, every case has human rights violations and I knew it all, now I am in fear for my life. I know too much about the corrupt officials at BI and the DOJ Prosecutors Office. If I do not reveal all now, I will be executed in the streets or they will go after my family, we are currently in hiding! The Philippine Press will not run my story; we all know how the Philippine Media is controlled. I must reveal all just to protect myself and my family, I have no choice." *** The Full links have mysteriously Disappeared now There is a Rebuttal but I can't find it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Kid Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 3 hours ago, OnMyWay said: You need to read or skim all of this post to get the context. Long but worth it! ========= First, I saw the following at a FB page that JGF won't let me post directly. ========= Bureau of Immigration Ex-Chief of Legal, Arvin Cesar Santos, who was arrested and charged by the Manila Prosecutors office for Graft and Corruption during his term, has revealed detailed information of a corrupt syndicate of prosecutors between the DOJ Prosecutors and the Bureau of Immigration Legal Department. The Ex-Chief of Legal Arvin Cesar Santos said: "I will tell all, I am not taking the fall for everyone, I was a small part of a good old boys network". This criminal syndicate consists of DOJ and Immigration Prosecutors that were classmates, alumni, and fraternity brothers from Law Universities. These brothers, which I was a part of, controlled the fate of hundreds of foreigners charged with immigration violations. These foreigners were detained until they paid, they either paid us or if they appealed our negative decisions to the DOJ Prosecutors, they would have to pay them to get a positive decision in their favor. If foreigner case files were reviewed over the past 4 years, they will see that no hearing before the Special Board of Inquiry was ever heard, only 3 cases of bail were ever granted and those 3 had to pay 100k under the table to get them approved! We made it crystal clear, no bail was granted! Arvin Cesar Santos with remorse in his voice told that "these poor foreigners were denied bail at immigration and denied bail at the DOJ, we would make sure no one got bail, this would break their will power, force them to pay big money!" Their cases were administrative in nature, if they did have criminal charges in the courts, they had already granted bail, but we denied them anyway so that we could fill our pockets. The ex-chief of legal admitted that if the foreigner resisted or filed complaints with any agency like the Ombudsman or Office of the President, we would retaliate by losing filings and motions, delay answering until the last possible minute, place their file at the bottom always, never seeing the surface. We would make a simple resolution last years, all the while, the foreigner remains at the Bicutan Immigration Detention Center. "If they complained against our brothers, we would make the foreigner and his family suffer, we gave a clear message, resist and you will suffer!" When asked who was involved in this criminal syndicate of prosecutors, Arvin Cesar Santos replied: "Take your pick, who would refuse payoffs of 300,000 - 2,000,000 PhP?" Every prosecutor at the DOJ that handles Immigration Appeals and the Immigration Legal Department is involved! All this going on right under the nose of DOJ Secretary Leila De Lima. Arvin Cesar Santos stated: "If the case files of foreigners that had cases on appeal were ever reviewed, they would find cases of arbitrary decisions." When asked for an example, Arvin Cesar Santos described a case of an Indian national who paid 2.2 million PhP in November 2013 to DOJ prosecutors to overturn his Summary Deportation Order. Thangam Madhana Gopal was charged with being an overstaying alien and in possession of fraudulent immigration papers/visa stamps, married to a Filipina with 2 children. He had been convicted of crimes involving moral turpitude, hoarding, black marketing or profiteering and was set for deportation. Thangam Madhana Gopal's release was based on humanitarian reasons. The Indian's resolution only took a few months because of the large payoff. Arvin Cesar Santos could not remember names but he said an Estonian who was 17 years overstaying and had several criminal cases pending in the courts was issued a release order by the DOJ Prosecutors but there is a recent case with an American businessman who was 2 months overstaying and has yet to be arraigned on a minor criminal charge, has been denied bail and his Summary Deportation Order upheld by the DOJ Prosecutors because he filed a complaint about a corrupt BI Prosecutor, Mark Anthony Antonio, that was handling his case and was fired from the Bureau of Immigration; some of his classmates are DOJ Prosecutors that were handling his case when it was appealed. They upheld the SDO not because of its merits but because they were going to punish this American for complaining. Arvin Cesar Santos also disclosed another case that is presently in the DOJ Prosecutors Office on appeal for a Summary Deportation Order issued by the Bureau of Immigration. He states: "A Greek businessman that owns a call center in Cebu that employs hundreds of Filipinos was illegally arrested and detained by BI, he has no visa violation and his passport was in order, he had no criminal case in the Philippines." He was charged as being an "undesirable alien" because of a mere letter from the USA embassy asking to validate his entry into the Philippines and if his passport was authentic, allegedly a fugitive but no authenticated copies of the arrest warrant were ever produced. The Greek embassy verified his passport and citizenship was authentic, BI verified that all his visa renewals were confirmed legitimate. "We tried to squeeze him for millions of pesos but he refused to pay." Instead, the Greek businessman started filing criminal complaints against various BI officials which included ex-Commissioner Ricardo David Jr., ex-Special Prosecutor Liza Julie Interior Madera, ex-Chief of Intelligence Marie Antonette Bucasas Mangrobang, Executive Director Eric Dimaculangan and Field Agent Armello De Castro. Most have either resigned, were reshuffled or presently being investigated by the Commission on Human Rights and will be charged. His current appeal at the DOJ has been in review for almost a year, add in the 6 months prior in the Bicutan Immigration Detention Center, "he has been detained for over 16 months and he has not violated any laws." Arvin Cesar Santos added that "This Greek businessman will be made to suffer as long as the DOJ prosecutors can drag out his case." They want reciprocity for him causing problems and filing complaints. He is one of the reasons the BI Bicutan money making machine has halted. He has cost corrupt BI officials millions of pesos in payoffs. Commissioner Siegfred Mison continues to say publically "come forward and tell us who these corrupt BI officials are, so that we may deal with them" but complaints are filed, evidence presented and yet the corrupt BI officials are either reshuffled or left in the same positions. The foreigner complaining is the one punished! Arvin Cesar Santos said: "The list of cases are endless, there was No Due Process of Law, every case has human rights violations and I knew it all, now I am in fear for my life. I know too much about the corrupt officials at BI and the DOJ Prosecutors Office. If I do not reveal all now, I will be executed in the streets or they will go after my family, we are currently in hiding! The Philippine Press will not run my story; we all know how the Philippine Media is controlled. I must reveal all just to protect myself and my family, I have no choice." ========== So then I searched this guy and a post on the BI FB page popped up. ========== ATTY. ARVIN SANTOS’ STATEMENT Former chief of BI’s Legal Division Atty. Arvin Santos has vehemently denied issuing any statements on which allegations of corruption, including extortion activities committed by Immigration jail guards against detained foreigners, as appeared on the “Foreigners for Justice” website. Santos categorically belied having been interviewed by any member or representative of pseudo-organization of detainees at the BI Warden Facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Bicutan, Taguig City. “I was never interviewed and I never made such statements. In fact, I can attest that since the inception of the administration of Commissioner Siegfred Mison, corrupt practices at the Bureau have been drastically reduced if not eradicated,” Santos said. At the same time, Santos challenged the anonymous source of the group to come forward and substantiate their allegation so that the BI leadership can take proper action against any erring official or employees. Santos added that he is contemplating filing charges before the National Bureau of Investigation against to those who falsely quoted him. -kegc https://www.facebook.com/officialbureauofimmigration/posts/atty-arvin-santos-statementformer-chief-of-bis-legal-division-atty-arvin-santos-/359055030899877/ ========== Then I see that "Foreigners for Justice" has challenged BI on the BI FB page, in the comments of the post above. ========== Foreigners for Justice accept BI Commissioner Siegfred Misons challenge. As per the February 19, 2014, Facebook post/challenge by the Bureau of Immigration Commissioner Siegfred Mison and ex-chief of legal Arvin Cesar Santos. Foreigners for Justice will present witnesses that were previous detainees of The Bureau of Immigration and detainees that are presently illegally detained Because of corruption / extortion from Immigration legal department staff. Commissioner Siegfried Mison on numerous occasions has stated, in the media, that he wants people with information and evidence of corruption/extortion to come forward and present evidence so that he may eliminate corruption inside the Bureau of Immigration. Foreigners for Justice Witnesses will present undeniable evidence of corruption/extortion but only with outside agencies present so that they may conduct their own investigations. We request the following to be present; Commissioner Siegfred Mison, ex-chief of legal Arvin Santos, ex-chief of intelligence Marie Antonette Bucasas Mangrobang to answer allegations of corruption /extortion. We require an Ombudsman prosecutor, Department of Justice Prosecutor, Bureau of Revenue investigator, and a court reporter to take statements, authenticate documents and a certified record of witnesses’ statements. We will have our witnesses, their attorneys, documentation of bank transfers/ certificates, and evidence of corruption/extortion. We will also have certain members of the news media present for public record. The meeting can be done at Bicutan Immigration center, Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig city. Previous detainees of Bicutan Immigration center must be allowed to enter for the purpose of this meeting. Please inform date and time of meeting, provide at least 1 week notice. =============== This is the Foreigners For Justice FB page: https://www.facebook.com/foreigners4Justice/ I didn't read much there yet but there is an article about the Belgium guy we were chatting about in another thread. I hope that this BI corruption story keeps going! And tomorrow or a week from now it will all be forgotten, and the next "probe" of another rotten to the core agency will take place. This has been ongoing since the Philippines was granted independence. Nothing new with that news story. IMELDA FOR PRESIDENT !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Peterson Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Arizona Kid said: And tomorrow or a week from now it will all be forgotten, and the next "probe" of another rotten to the core agency will take place. This has been ongoing since the Philippines was granted independence. Nothing new with that news story. You may not have read the Latest then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Kid Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Peterson said: You may not have read the Latest then? No. I only read the Star in the mornings. Something really meaningful going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Peterson Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, Arizona Kid said: No. I only read the Star in the mornings. Something really meaningful going on? Well it IS on this page AK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Kid Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jack Peterson said: Well it IS on this page AK Yes..and do you really think anything will become of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Mike J Posted August 2, 2019 Forum Support Posted August 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jack Peterson said: You may not have read the Latest then? I am thinking that this guy "Jon T. Hermosisima," on July 29 at 1:54 AM ·went and found a facebook post on Foreigners4Justice that was written in 2014. He did a cut and past and is presenting is as yesterday's news. The "rebuttal" from Santos is on the Bureau of Immigration facebook page. That rebuttal is dated Feb 19, 2014. So I am still thinking WAY old news. Also I was not able to see any news report where Santos was arrested other than the facebook post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Peterson Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Arizona Kid said: Yes..and do you really think anything will become of it? Well with an arrest and more to follow? I don't see how the President can ignore it do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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