Quarantine extended until May 15

[Jollygoodfellow]

I wonder what we talked about before coronavirus  

[GeoffH]

Beer? I seem to remember beer being mentioned :)

[Jollygoodfellow]

1 hour ago, GeoffH said:

Beer? I seem to remember beer being mentioned :)

Only now it's the lack of it 

[Dave Hounddriver]

5 hours ago, Jollygoodfellow said:

I wonder what we talked about before coronavirus

All the things we cannot do anymore 

[AusExpat]

10 hours ago, Tukaram (Tim) said:

Sounds like a conspiracy nut...  

Thankyou, these days that label is slapped upon anyone who doesn't repeat the legacy media talking points. Unfortunately a lot of these 'conspiracy theories' are starting to prove themselves true.

The big banks rig the markets? Conspiracy theory, they'd never do that, oh..... https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2019/05/20/yes-gold-is-being-manipulated-but-to-what-extent/

Hollywwod is a big money laundering operation, woops - https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62539106 - Wolf Of Wall St Producer arrested for money laundering after stealing the national pension fund.

Dr Fauci has financial ties to Bill Gates, is this why he's pushing the vaccine so hard, crazy talk, or is there more to it? https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/8/anthony-fauci-sets-stage-mandatory-vaccine/

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“The collaboration follows the January 2010 call by Bill ad Melinda Gates for the next ten years to be the Decade of Vaccines.”

The “Decade of Vaccines?”

It’s a structured campaign. It includes a Leadership Council, a Steering Committee, an International Advisory Committee — and other bureaucratic so forths and so ons. But here’s an interesting link.

The Leadership Council “is comprised of … Dr. Anthony S. Fauci,” the Gates Foundation reported.

Fauci, the same guy who just set the stage for the dire need for a protective coronavirus vaccine, has a vested interest in seeing this vaccine come to fruition — come to widely administered fruition.

 

[Tommy T.]

To all of you who are getting antsie (I hate ants) and wanting to get loose and free from your various quarantines... I suggest you read the article I have linked here.

It makes me really wonder if we (humans) ever learn from history? Or are we determined and condemned to simply repeat, repeat, repeat? Was the Spanish flu considered a conspiracy? Not that I can tell. But I may be wrong - I am wrong quite often...:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-had-the-1918-flu-under-control-and-then-it-lifted-the-restrictions/ar-BB13bjQ3?li=BBnb7Kz

When the clock struck noon, the masks came off.

It was Nov. 21, 1918, and San Francisco residents gathered in the streets to celebrate not only the recent end of World War I and the Allies' victory, but also the end of an onerous ordinance that shut down the city and required all residents and visitors to wear face coverings in public to stop the spread of the so-called Spanish flu.

A blaring whistle alerted gratified residents across the city and, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported at the time, "the sidewalks and runnels were strewn with the relics of a torturous month," despite warnings from the health department to maintain face coverings. As celebrations continued and residents flocked to theaters, restaurants and other public spaces soon thereafter, city officials would soon learn their problems were far from over.

Now, amid the coronavirus pandemic, as President Donald President urges the reopening of the country and some states, such as Georgia, move to resume normal business even as new cases emerge, how officials acted during the 1918 flu pandemic, specifically in cities such as San Francisco, offers a cautionary tale about the dangers of doing so too soon.

Alex Navarro, the assistant director of the Center for the History of Medicine at the University of Michigan, which detailed historical accounts of the 1918-19 flu pandemic in 43 cities, told NBC News in a phone interview that officials often acted quickly at the time but restrictions were eased to varying degrees.

"There was a lot of pressure in pretty much all of these American cities to reopen," said Navarro, whose research was done in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "When they removed those restrictions too soon, then many cities saw a resurgence in cases."

The center's research found that cities that used "early, sustained and layered" practices such as social distancing, closing public events and stay-at-home orders "fared better than those that did not."

'A lot of stock in masks'

Just two months earlier, in September, the first case of the so-called Spanish flu was identified in San Francisco and city health officials sprung into action.

Dr. William C. Hassler, the city's health officer, ordered the local man who apparently brought the disease to the city after a trip to Chicago into quarantine to stop the disease from finding another human host, according to the center's research of reported accounts.

But it was too late as the virus had already begun to make its way through the city. By mid-October, the cases jumped from 169 to 2,000 in just one week. Later that month, Mayor James Rolph put in place social distancing practices and met with Hassler, other health officials, local business owners as well as officials from the federal government to discuss a plan to close the city.

Some officials demurred at the idea, worried about damage to the city's economy and the risk of causing public panic. Eventually, on Oct. 18, the city voted to shut down "all places of public amusement."

City officials also strongly advocated for face coverings, which were at first optional and soon required by a mayoral order — the country's first at the time, Navarro said.

"They were the one city that put a lot of stock in masks," he said.

With the pandemic still raging across the globe during World War I, the mask also became a symbol of "wartime patriotism."

"The man or woman or child who will not wear a mask now is a dangerous slacker," a public service announcement from the American Red Cross said at the time, according to Navarro's research.

That, however, did not stop people from defying the order -- 110 people were arrested and given a $5 fine in one day in October shortly after the measure went into place, improperly wearing a mask or not wearing one entirely, according to the center's research. Over time, the jails were overcrowded with people failing to adhere to the rules. However, most cases were later dismissed.

By the end of October, there were 20,000 cases and more than 1,000 deaths. However, as the days went on, the city saw a dip in newly reported cases, which prompted officials to begin to reopen the city and rescind the mask order. By the end of November, officials believed the city had stabilized.

'They were flattening that curve'

But three weeks after that celebration of removing their masks, the city saw a dramatic resurgence. Officials at first rejected the idea of reopening the city and suggested residents could voluntarily wear face coverings.

But shortly after the New Year in 1919, the city was hit with 600 new cases in one day, prompting the Board of Supervisors to re-enact the mandatory mask ordinance. Protests against the mandate eventually led to the formation of the Anti-Mask League. The detractors eventually got their way when the order was lifted in February.

San Francisco's ambivalence to quarantine measures ran counter to other U.S. cities, though. Navarro said Los Angeles, for instance, implemented strict social distancing and face coverings about a week before San Francisco did and its measures stayed in place for weeks longer.

Navarro said that many cities often became complacent once they saw a dip in cases, and when a resurgence happens residents often question the public health guidance.

"They were flattening that curve; they just weren't realizing it," Navarro said. "A lot of people thought, 'Well, what did we go through that for? It did have an impact, they just didn't know it."

As Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, put it in March, "If it looks like you're overreacting, you're probably doing the right thing."

Back during the Spanish flu, San Fransisco's failure to take swift action and the decision to ease restrictions after only a few weeks had huge ramifications. With 45,000 cases and more than 3,000 deaths, the city was reported to have been one of, if not, the hardest-hit big city.

Roughly a century later, the San Francisco Bay Area imposed the nation's first stay-at-home order and other restrictions when coronavirus cases were rapidly growing, placing a spotlight on its pandemic response again. Those aggressive actions are credited with saving lives, avoiding the scale of the tragedy found in New York City.

Mayor London Breed said she took heed of history and implemented an order last week requiring anyone setting foot on the streets of San Francisco, outside their homes, to wear a face covering.

Breed told MSNBC's Chris Hayes in an appearance in mid-April that she has considered the city's history with past pandemics, such as the HIV/AIDS crisis and the Spanish flu when deciding to ease restrictions.

"Just because San Francisco is being praised for flattening the curve, we're not there yet," she said. "And so we cannot let up just because for some reason we believe that we're in a better place."

Edited April 26, 2020 by Tommy T.

[Tommy T.]

And I am still preaching from my - "We really don't understand this Virus," pulpit...:

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/who-warns-you-may-catch-coronavirus-more-than-once/ar-BB13bzqo?li=BBr8Mkn

(Bloomberg) --  Catching Covid-19 once may not protect you from getting it again, according to the World Health Organization, a finding that could jeopardize efforts to allow people to return to work after recovering from the virus.

“There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from Covid-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection,” the United Nations agency said in an April 24 statement.

The WHO guidance came after some governments suggested that people who have antibodies to the coronavirus could be issued an “immunity passport” or “risk-free certificate” that would allow them to travel or return to work, based on the assumption that they were safe from re-infection, according to the statement. People issued such a certificate could ignore public-health guidance, increasing the risk of the disease spreading further.

Chile was the first country to announce plans to issue immunity cards based partly on antibody tests. This has raised concerns because the tests have proven unreliable elsewhere, and some people may get deliberately ill in order to obtain the card. The U.S. and others have nonetheless said they’re looking into the option.

While there’s a consensus that the key to ending the coronavirus pandemic is establishing co-called herd immunity, there are many unknowns. One is whether researchers can develop a safe and effective vaccine. Another is how long people who’ve recovered have immunity; reinfection after months or years is common with other human coronaviruses. Finally, it’s not clear what percentage of people must be immune to protect the “herd.” That depends on the contagiousness of the virus.

The WHO said it’s reviewing the scientific evidence on antibody responses to coronavirus, but as yet no study has evaluated whether the presence of antibodies “confers immunity to subsequent infection by this virus in humans.” And while many countries are currently testing for antibodies, these studies aren’t designed to determine whether people recovered from the disease acquire immunity, the agency said.

As the hunt for a vaccine continues around the world, the WHO has formed an international alliance to ensure that treatments are distributed fairly. French President Emmanuel Macron, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are involved in the alliance

[AusExpat]

Tommy, I'd just like to point out that MSN (MicroSoft network) is owned by Bill Gates who is heavily invested in his mandatory vaccine agenda. MS also stands a good chance to end up running the International vaccination databases.

There are untold billions up for grabs.

Edited April 26, 2020 by AusExpat

[Tommy T.]

10 minutes ago, AusExpat said:

Tommy, I'd just like to point out that MSN (MicroSoft network) is owned by Bill Gates who is heavily invested in his mandatory vaccine agenda. MS also stands a good chance to end up running the International vaccination databases.

There are untold billions up for grabs.

I think... if you read the news from their website, you might find it seems rather neutral... at least to me... But I am not so smart or wise and perhaps I am missing things? So far, I have not seen anything pushing vaccines from Bill Gates. But that is all I will say now, because I don't want our discussion to become political or contentious... I do appreciate your comments and point of view...

I will add here too... that this discussion, here, is regarding quarantine, not vaccine. I will just say that quarantine seems to be very helpful in slowing the virus - no new humans to infect, no additional virus cases. That seems very straightforward to me...

Edited April 26, 2020 by Tommy T.

[AusExpat]

6 minutes ago, Tommy T. said:

I think... if you read the news from their website, you might find it seems rather neutral... at least to me... But I am not so smart or wise and perhaps I am missing things? So far, I have not seen anything pushing vaccines from Bill Gates. But that is all I will say now, because I don't want our discussion to become political or contentious... I do appreciate your comments and point of view...

I will add here too... that this discussion, here, is regarding quarantine, not vaccine. I will just say that quarantine seems to be very helpful in slowing the virus - no new humans to infect, no additional virus cases. That seems very straightforward to me...

In advertising it's called an advertorial and is supposed to be noted as such. Basically it's putting a slant (or 'spin') on a subject to push the idea that it is great. Advertisers used to do it in the newspapers where it would go in the editorial section and look like a news story rather than an advertisement.

That story reads to me like they are saying we need to be scared and we need to get vaccines. Which I disagree with as in the other thread I started there are MANY cures coming out, I'd rather be cured for a few dollars than vaccinated yearly.

It's be like me saying Toyota cars are the best then referencing www.toyotafanclub.com as a reference, the article may be well written, and it may be true but you definitely aren't going to read an article about how a Ford beat the Toyota in 7 different tests either.