peterfe Posted July 11, 2020 Author Posted July 11, 2020 Well, that's some consolation. Thanks Geoff, you really are a mine of information! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Mike J Posted July 11, 2020 Forum Support Posted July 11, 2020 15 hours ago, peterfe said: But if it only works for 7 out of 10 people, does that mean we're going to be wearing masks and keeping 1-2 metres away from others for ever? What if only only 7 of 10, or 4 of 10, elect to get the shot? It will be an especially challenging decision for those who already have had the virus and recovered. Am I immune or still susceptible to a new strain, would it even work for a new strain? How about for your young children who (so far) have not experienced the deaths and difficulties of older folks. How long will people put off getting the vaccine to see if it is "safe". How many people think no vaccine is safe? I am afraid we are still looking at a long rough road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeoffH Posted July 11, 2020 Popular Post Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mike J said: What if only only 7 of 10, or 4 of 10, elect to get the shot? It will be an especially challenging decision for those who already have had the virus and recovered. Am I immune or still susceptible to a new strain, would it even work for a new strain? How about for your young children who (so far) have not experienced the deaths and difficulties of older folks. How long will people put off getting the vaccine to see if it is "safe". How many people think no vaccine is safe? I am afraid we are still looking at a long rough road. The issue of new strains is (so the experts say) less of a problem with SARS Cov 19 - 2 than with seasonal influenza because it is by it's very nature a slow mutating virus where as flu is a fast mutating virus. That doesn't mean that it will never mutate but it's much less likely to do so, in a way that would effect the efficacy of the vaccine in any given year. The issue of whether young children should be given the vaccine or not is probably moot because supplies will (initially at least) be prioritized towards certain groups. There is ongoing discusssion about what that process will look like happening now. There is a general consensus that front line workers; Doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers etc should be first in line but there is some disagreement as to where then next batches should go. Some are saying younger people at higher risk (teachers, bus drivers, taxi drivers etc) and others are saying it should go to older people and those with co-morbidities. In practice I think it will be such a rush to get it out there and such a bidding war that those questions will probably be ignored. As for people putting it off because they don't think it's safe that's their call. But various employers and schools are already talking about making it a requirement to work or attend (unless you have a valid medical exemption). And yes the vaccine won't be an instant cure all, it's just part of the answer. A big part but just part. Treatments are important also, and we've finally got a couple that definitely work albeit on late stage disease. I'm sure during the next 6 to 12 months others will come into use. I will say this... if I'm to catch the Covid virus then I'd much rather do it in 12 months than now because medical staff will have more knowledge and better treatments by then. Edited July 12, 2020 by GeoffH 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Mike J said: What if only only 7 of 10, or 4 of 10, elect to get the shot? It will be an especially challenging decision for those who already have had the virus and recovered. Am I immune or still susceptible to a new strain, would it even work for a new strain? How about for your young children who (so far) have not experienced the deaths and difficulties of older folks. How long will people put off getting the vaccine to see if it is "safe". How many people think no vaccine is safe? I am afraid we are still looking at a long rough road. Many in my brother's immediate family work in health care as doctors and nurses. They have already stated that they would prefer to wait until the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine is better established. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffH Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, earthdome said: Many in my brother's immediate family work in health care as doctors and nurses. They have already stated that they would prefer to wait until the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine is better established. Which is a perfectly valid and reasonable choice. I don't think they'll have to wait that long before any common (or even less common) side effects of the competing vaccines are known (if there are any) because I expect a rush on the various vaccines. Someone waiting 12 months (or even 6 months) would almost certainly be in a better position to be able to judge that. I've got comorbidities which suggest that the chances of my developing serious illness if I contract the virus are significantly higher than not only the general public but also most people my age. That swings the pendulum towards the vaccine for me personally but I get where a younger and/or healthier person might choose differently. I honestly believe people (and businesses and schools) should be free to choose to vaccinate, to choose not to vaccinate, to require vaccination for entry to their property or to not require vaccination to enter their property. My only caveat to that is I suspect that health insurers won't be covering Covid caused illness without proof of vaccination (but then that's their right as a business too). Edited July 12, 2020 by GeoffH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, GeoffH said: I've got comorbidities which suggest that the chances of my developing serious illness if I contract the virus are significantly higher than not only the general public but also most people my age. That swings the pendulum towards the vaccine for me personally but I get where a younger and/or healthier person might choose differently. I also have comorbidities and will wait to ensure it is SAFE for someone with my comorbidities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffH Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, earthdome said: I also have comorbidities and will wait to ensure it is SAFE for someone with my comorbidities. Like I said... it is entirely your choice (as it should be). I’m not trying to change your mind ( well unless it’s about the correct way to say Z ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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