Hats off to China!

[earthdome]

9 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

Wyoming is the best place in the U.S. as far as Covid.  The treatments are so good, that people are coming back to life!  See the latest daily deaths chart.

Silly Rabbit, those are the zombies.

[Mike J]

9 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

Wyoming is the best place in the U.S. as far as Covid.  The treatments are so good, that people are coming back to life!  See the latest daily deaths chart.

There's "tough" and then there is "cowboy tough". 

[Mike J]

11 hours ago, scott h said:

Right, wrong or indifferent, there is a large segment of American population who take the below seriously. If you are in Wyoming you are probably in the thick of it. Probably a little different on the coasts or more liberal parts of the country

 

I think things will continue to get worse in the USA until the sense of "personal fear" overcomes some people's sense of "personal freedom to do whatever the F*&% I want to do".

[Tommy T.]

1 hour ago, Mike J said:

I think things will continue to get worse in the USA until the sense of "personal fear" overcomes some people's sense of "personal freedom to do whatever the F*&% I want to do".

I have read numerous accounts of young people, fit people, cavalier people, who got sick. Among them, many died too. Their comments ranged from, "I thought it was all a hoax," to, "I didn't think I could catch it and, if so, that it would affect me." So many still believe the risks and severity are exaggerated or non-existent. Some of their dying words were, "Take this seriously...this is real."

This may start to change. President now says people should wear masks and that the spread and effect of the virus will worsen. Talk about a 180 degree change! This may influence some doubters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wear-a-mask-President-predicts-coronavirus-will-get-worse-as-he-returns-to-briefings/ar-BB171tOy?li=BBnb7Kz

And it continues here too, the  people who either don't wear the masks or wear them improperly. I guess they are vying for Darwin Awards? And some still like to crowd up in lines, apparently afraid that they might lose their place?

Edited July 22, 2020 by Tommy T.

[Jollygoodfellow]

On 7/20/2020 at 5:54 AM, peterfe said:

There's less physical contact between people than here, but on the other hand, almost all men, married or not, regularly visit prostitutes, and probably haven't stopped during Covid-19. So it would be interesting to know how Thailand managed Covid-19 so well.

I doubt if many prostitutes are working or were. All bars closed and deserted streets from videos I have seen and still pretty much the same in some places.

[OnMyWay]

6 hours ago, Tommy T. said:

I have read numerous accounts of young people, fit people, cavalier people, who got sick. Among them, many died too.

I have to question you on this Tommy.  I also have seen some of those reports.  Every liberal media outlet will have at least one worst case scenario that they pickup and promote, along with violin music, crying families, "he should have wore a mask", etc.  Yes, there are a few.  There are also young, formerly healthy people dying everyday from all kinds of diseases.  They don't make the news now.  Doesn't fit the current narrative.

Here are CDC charts of weekly deaths in the U.S., by age.  Red line is 2020.  Gray lines are previous 5 years.  You can see the bad flu season of 2018 in these charts.  If you go to the web site, you have to find the selection "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age" and chose Update the Dashboard.  Recent weeks deaths are still trickling in so that is why the red line falls below the gray lines.  There is no indication here that young people are falling dead all over like these shocking stories they find.  And you know what?  The U.S. has many unhealthy young people dying in those charts.  They get COVID and their chance of survival goes way down because they weigh 400 lbs, have HBP and diabetes.  Etc. I think the younger people who are truly healthy, with no co-morbidities, are rare, and dying of Covid is even more rare.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

There are many CDC information charts there in that link if you want to study them and make your own conclusions.  You seem to only post links to MSN so I can only conclude that is where you get all your news.  MSN is a left leaning news consolidator so they choose the stories they want to push.  If you want to get differing opinions, venture outside your box.  Just because MSN came installed on your browser doesn't mean you have to only read it.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msn-com/

"These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias.  They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes.  These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Overall, we rate MSN News strongly Left-Center biased with the majority of stories coming from Left-Center sources. We also rate them High for factual reporting because the majority of sources used are credible media outlets."

Check out these news sites that are rated least biased:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center/

There are many smaller outlets that appear to still try and report just plain event news, without judgement and opinion.  Of course, none would ever be 100% unbiased.

Sorry Tommy, I don't mean to be rude, and I'm trying to be fair about this, but the constant MSN links are wearing me down.

[Tommy T.]

29 minutes ago, OnMyWay said:

Sorry Tommy, I don't mean to be rude, and I'm trying to be fair about this, but the constant MSN links are wearing me down.

It's okay, OMW... my turn to say sorry. You are not being rude. I do actually check out BBC cable news, Al Jazeera on cable too.

I'll desist with the MSN link posting here. I don't post links to the others because I don't look at them online and don't like to quote things without attribution.

I guess I see that they gather their news from a multitude of sources, some of which I am well aware of their politics. Others, I have not paid so much attention to...my bad. I will spend some more of my time trying as you suggest. Thanks for the pointers.

[GeoffH]

There has been a  lot of discussion about how many people SARS Cov-19 2 is actually killing and how many people are dying with Covid or from Covid and the whole issue has become politicized.  In an attempt not to further politicize the issue I'm posting a scientific article here from JAMA which attempts with science methodology to address that issue.  ie this article has as it's objective "To estimate the burden of all deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States from March to May 2020".

NB for those not familiar with JAMA it is the Journal of the American Medical Association.  I don't know if they're right leaning, left leaning or centrist but I would hope that as a purely science based research article that wouldn't matter anyway since they're talking about the science of the issue and not what actions should be taken around people or the economy.

With that being said... here it is.



 

jamainternal_weinberger_2020_oi_200051.pdf

Edited July 22, 2020 by GeoffH

[OnMyWay]

26 minutes ago, GeoffH said:

There has been a  lot of discussion about how many people SARS Cov-19 2 is actually killing and how many people are dying with Covid or from Covid and the whole issue has become politicized.  In an attempt not to further politicize the issue I'm posting a scientific article here from JAMA which attempts with science methodology to address that issue.  ie this article has as it's objective "To estimate the burden of all deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States from March to May 2020".

NB for those not familiar with JAMA it is the Journal of the American Medical Association.  I don't know if they're right leaning, left leaning or centrist but I would hope that as a purely science based research article that wouldn't matter anyway since they're talking about the science of the issue and not what actions should be taken around people or the economy.

With that being said... here it is.
jamainternal_weinberger_2020_oi_200051.pdf 578.82 kB · 0 downloads

That methodology is in sync with the excess deaths on the CDC website.  I was going to post one of the graphs in my response to Tommy, but didn't.  Excess deaths seems to me, logically, the best way to judge overall impact at a high level.  In fact, CDC didn't start that reporting excess deaths until recently, so maybe they took the ball and ran with it.

CDC does not attempt to estimate the recent deaths like the report did.  They just advise that the last 2-3 weeks will not be accurate due to the data latency.

On the CDC, you can filter this report by state and there are many other reports on the Dashboard.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

 

[Dr Chris]

On 7/20/2020 at 7:55 PM, Guy F. said:

I am seriously peeved by people who say that I can’t compare apples and oranges, or that it is a mistake to compare apples and oranges. They are both fruit, dammit. They both grow on trees. They have comparable contents (i.e. vitamins, carbohydrates, fiber, and so on) and grow to comparable sizes. So puh-leez don’t tell me that apples and oranges can’t or shouldn't be compared. They are prime candidates for comparison. They have in fact been subjected to rigorous scientific comparison. Cite

Well, Apples are the fruit of  Malus Domestica, while Oranges are the fruit of the citrus family Rutacea. So whilst both grow on trees and have nutrutional value, they look different and are completely unrelated - thus the comparision.  Tomatoes, Mangoes, Avocados, and Eggplants are all fruit - would you consider them all the same? BTW - I got your humour .