UNITED STATES STIMULUS CHECKS

[Shady]

2 hours ago, scott h said:

Gonna have to take the other side of this one Tommy...IMHO we have term limits, Elections. If the populace is stupid enough to continue voting for them, whelp, we get the government we deserve I suppose.

They aren't stupid, they're just anti-Americans voting to get the policies they want, policies that put America last. 

[Old55]

4 hours ago, scott h said:

Gonna have to take the other side of this one Tommy...IMHO we have term limits, Elections. If the populace is stupid enough to continue voting for them, whelp, we get the government we deserve I suppose. 

 

 

It's a complicated problem. We do know what's taking place now is criminal. 

Edited December 25, 2020 by Old55

[Dave Hounddriver]

13 hours ago, Old55 said:

It's a complicated problem.

Moreso than some admit.  For example, election night shows one person well ahead, then the mail in votes are counted from expats all over the world who choose NOT to live there any more and the results change.  Hmmmm.

Why would you want to count the votes from citizens who chose to leave and not count votes from immigrants who want to live there and contribute to society.  Its a tangled web.

[scott h]

3 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Why would you want to count the votes from citizens who chose to leave

Hmmmm, good point. I know I voted absentee 6 times (presidential and congressional) Once from Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq. Virginia, Kentucky and 2 time from the Philippines. Only twice was it my choice 

[Mike J]

3 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Moreso than some admit.  For example, election night shows one person well ahead, then the mail in votes are counted from expats all over the world who choose NOT to live there any more and the results change.  Hmmmm.

Why would you want to count the votes from citizens who chose to leave and not count votes from immigrants who want to live there and contribute to society.  Its a tangled web.

Your post seems to imply that the majority of expats voted democrat. I have always felt that the majority of the members of this forum tend to have conservative rather than liberal views and would vote a republican ticket.

Why count the vote of expats.  We moved for a variety of reasons, but I tend to think very few of us must have given the USA the finger as we were leaving.  I think I can speak the vast majority when I say we still love our country (warts and all), pay taxes, have family back home, etc. 

[OnMyWay]

I'm not sure if you are just pulling our chain, or you have not followed what happened.

5 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Moreso than some admit.  For example, election night shows one person well ahead, then the mail in votes are counted from expats all over the world who choose NOT to live there any more and the results change.  Hmmmm.

Expats or normal absentee voting is not the issue.  That has always been that way.  The normal process is, a voter REQUESTS an absentee ballot and then follows the process to submit it, usually through the mail.  I submitted mine in Florida through e-mail but not all states allow e-mail.  During that process, your ballot signature is supposed to be validated against your signature on record, from when you registered to vote.  In Florida, they use your last driver's license signature as the most recent, for matching.  I was worried about that, because my last Florida DL was in 2003.  So I sent a copy of my passport with my e-mail, and the registrar said I was good to go.

In 2020, some majority democrat leadership states decided that they needed to protect us from Covid.  Voting in person is very dangerous.  Rioting in large groups is ok.  Standing in line to vote, not ok.  They sent out absentee ballots to every registered voter.  Doesn't matter if you are dead or moved, they sent it.  Fairly easy to see how this would work out.  The chart below shows the increase in absentee voting over 2016.

xxxx

6 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Why would you want to count the votes from citizens who chose to leave and not count votes from immigrants who want to live there and contribute to society.  Its a tangled web.

Not sure what you are saying here.  Citizens are allowed to vote in national elections.  Legal immigrants who want to live there and contribute to society, and vote in national elections, should become citizens.  It is not hard for a legal immigrant to become a citizen.  The main thing it takes is the desire.

Are there countries who allow legal immigrants to vote in national elections?  Perhaps.  Some, including the U.S., allow some legal immigrant residents to vote in some local elections.

Illegal immigrants should have no rights to vote at any level, not should they have any access to public services.  Yet they do.

[GeoffH]

5 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

Illegal immigrants should have no rights to vote at any level, not should they have any access to public services.  Yet they do.

If a country is a signatory to the UN refugee convention or to the related 1967 UN protocol on refugees then countries have an obligation as either a signatory to the convention or under the protocol to certain minimum standards relating to 'stateless people', 'refugees' and 'possible refugees'.

It isn't until the status of a person has been determined (using procedural fairness) that they become 'illegal immigrants' and can be deported or held in detention.  And even there there are certain minimum standards around detainees that most countries are required to adhere to.

Both of those situations require the use of certain public services (or the privatized version there of) even if it's a simple as prison guards to keep them in a cell or officers of the law to escort them to a departing plane.

[OnMyWay]

33 minutes ago, GeoffH said:

If a country is a signatory to the UN refugee convention or to the related 1967 UN protocol on refugees then countries have an obligation as either a signatory to the convention or under the protocol to certain minimum standards relating to 'stateless people', 'refugees' and 'possible refugees'.

It isn't until the status of a person has been determined (using procedural fairness) that they become 'illegal immigrants' and can be deported or held in detention.  And even there there are certain minimum standards around detainees that most countries are required to adhere to.

Both of those situations require the use of certain public services (or the privatized version there of) even if it's a simple as prison guards to keep them in a cell or officers of the law to escort them to a departing plane.

Refugees are not the typical illegal alien in the U.S. and deserve their own subject.  One group of Illegal aliens are the typical illegal border crossers that make the news a lot, then they are returned, and just do it again.  Over and over, many of them.  Some of them avoid capture for years and live fairly normal lives.  That does not make them any more legal.  And then there are overstays and other types of visa violations that make up a rather high % of illegals.  I have heard, as much as 50%.

I'm speaking of public services such as welfare, food stamps, etc.  Not enforcement resources.  Many illegals finds ways to take advantage of of the system.  Fake ids, stolen social security numbers, etc.  Further law breaking on top of the fact that they are in the country illegally.

 

[intrepid]

I think there is a big difference between a refugee and an Illegal and it starts with how they enter a country.  I don't think any of us would argue with helping a refugee.

The Refugee Process

You must receive a referral to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for consideration as a refugee. For more information on the referral criteria, see the USRAP Consultations and Worldwide Processing Priorities page.

If you receive a referral, you will receive help filling out your application and then be interviewed abroad by a USCIS officer who will determine whether you are eligible for refugee resettlement. For more information about eligibility, see our Refugee Eligibility Determination page.

Your case may include your spouse, child (unmarried and under 21 years of age), and in some limited circumstances, other family members. You may include a same-sex spouse in your application provided that you and your spouse are legally married.  As a general matter, USCIS looks to the law of the place where the marriage took place when determining whether it is valid for immigration law purposes. Same-sex partners who are not married but who are qualified  to access the U.S. Refugee Admissions under one of the three designated worldwide processing priorities may have their cases cross-referenced  so that they can be interviewed at the same time and, if approved by USCIS, resettled in the same geographic area in the United States.  

There is no fee to apply for refugee status. The information you provide will not be shared with your home country.

For more information about USRAP and the referral process, see our USRAP Consultations and Worldwide Processing Priorities page.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/refugees

[scott h]

4 hours ago, GeoffH said:

UN protocol on refugees then countries

Geoff. With all, and I mean all respect to you and your country. (I just plain love Australia and Australian (except for that one wanker that stole my girlfriend in college with that cheezy accent )) But being a continental island with very efficient border controls. You really do not understand how Yanks feel about illegal immigrants. 

I was raised 60 miles from the mexican border. I personally have seen them jumping the fence and running through the streets with our border patrol chasing them. I remember having a part time job as a landscaper, we had illegals working for us. The would get paid, go to a border patrol station, get a free ride to the border, give their families their pay, sneak back in and be at work monday morning. I could go on and on and on. 

Now refugees are a different matter. For the most part they are treated quiet well. If you ever get the opportunity and travel the states, Go to Southern california, you will see the Vietnamese thriving, they all came over as refugees. Same with Virginia, you will see whole Somali communities, Michigan is know as little Ethiopia. Again I could fill up a whole page where Iraqi, Persian, russian, east European refugees are welcomed, become citizens and become part of our American dream