GeoffH Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Yeochief said: What is the rate of catching covid? Fatality rate at near 10% is very high. Case Fatality Rate is a not a good measure how deadly a disease is in places where testing rates are low and hospitals are expensive and hard to access. Because people mostly don't go for medical help until they need a Doctor so the 10% more reflects the fatality rate of symptomatic cases needing medical help than that of the total infected population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert k Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Mike J said: I guess it depends on how you define urgency. In Moalboal where I live the fatality rate for covid is currently at 9.7 percent, with two more deaths yesterday. I realize that the lack of medical infrastructure in the area is a major contributing factor, but the numbers are what they are. Adding to my concern is the fact that the majority of people vaccinated here received the sino vaccines which appear to have the least efficacy against covid. As this is where almost all of my Philippine family live I definitely feel a sense of urgency. How do you know it's from covid? The CDC admits that the PCR test can't tell covid from any other kind of flu and even the common cold is a corona virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert k Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) [Edit] In response to mike J's article 6 hours previous, I should have excerpted it, but I just wiped it to save save space. Here is an article that speaks about mixing and the trials that are taking place. I think it gives a balanced report, I would call it cautiously optimistic based on initial trial results. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01805-2 [End Edit] Word salad article. Nothing new there. It's just filler. Reporters and editors have pages to fill and actually, it's an easy topic because people will latch onto things thinking it new/news. Edited July 31, 2021 by robert k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted July 31, 2021 Forum Support Posted July 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, robert k said: Word salad article. Nothing new there. It's just filler. Reporters and editors have pages to fill and actually, it's an easy topic because people will latch onto things thinking it new/news. Robert, what post are you answering? Not taking sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert k Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Old55 said: Robert, what post are you answering? Not taking sides. Mike J's post of 6 hours ago. I should have excerpted it but I wiped it out. My mistake. Here is an article that speaks about mixing and the trials that are taking place. I think it gives a balanced report, I would call it cautiously optimistic based on initial trial results. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01805-2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffH Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 35 minutes ago, robert k said: How do you know it's from covid? The CDC admits that the PCR test can't tell covid from any other kind of flu and even the common cold is a corona virus. PCR tests can most definitely select between any of the common cold viruses and SARS Cov-19 2 (Covid). There are some issues with false negative results but that is NOT the same thing as what you've claimed (without any supporting evidence). https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/369/bmj.m1808.full.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted July 31, 2021 Forum Support Posted July 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, robert k said: Mike J's post of 6 hours ago. I should have excerpted it but I wiped it out. My mistake. Here is an article that speaks about mixing and the trials that are taking place. I think it gives a balanced report, I would call it cautiously optimistic based on initial trial results. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01805-2 It's all good. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert k Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, GeoffH said: PCR tests can most definitely select between any of the common cold viruses and SARS Cov-19 2 (Covid). There are some issues with false negative results but that is NOT the same thing as what you've claimed (without any supporting evidence). https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/369/bmj.m1808.full.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert k Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GeoffH said: PCR tests can most definitely select between any of the common cold viruses and SARS Cov-19 2 (Covid). There are some issues with false negative results but that is NOT the same thing as what you've claimed (without any supporting evidence). https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/369/bmj.m1808.full.pdf Funny you say select and not Detect. Reading is fundamental also. I said the common cold is a corona virus. I did not say more than that. Edited July 31, 2021 by robert k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy79 Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, robert k said: https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html That's just the ncov test. There are other more accurate Rt-Pcr tests out there that detect types of Influenza and Sars Cov2. They are just allowing the older tests to be used up as those tend to be used alongside serology tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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