Discrimination or new normal?

[Dave Hounddriver]

Skipped ahead to page 7 to avoid BS overload.  Did I miss anything?

[Gandang Smile]

2 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Skipped ahead to page 7 to avoid BS overload.  Did I miss anything?

Yes, you missed your bi-yearly shot 

[Gandang Smile]

Israel's 'Coronavirus Czar' Tells Citizens To Prepare For Eventual 4th Shot

As we've been detailing of late, the goalposts in ultra-vaxxed Israel keep perpetually moving after health authorities' recent initiative to demand all citizens get a third COVID jab. This even as this past week witnessed the small Mediterranean country reach yet more daily case records. 

Despite the WHO coming out against countries giving their populations booster shots at this point, Israel has as of Friday issued a third dose to 2.5 million Israelis. Given the likelihood that this too will fail to blunt the growing numbers of infections, naturally the question is: so what next? 

You can't make this up, health authorities are providing this "answer": "Israel’s national coronavirus czar on Saturday called for the country to begin making preparations to eventually administer fourth doses of the coronavirus vaccine," The Times of Israel reports.

The 'coronavirus czar', Professor Salman Zarka made the statements to Kan national broadcaster: 

"Given that that the virus is here and will continue to be here, we also need to prepare for a fourth injection."

As if bluntly admitting that the country will continue with the very simplistic strategy of 'throwing more shots' at the problem, Zarka added, "This is our life from now on, in waves."

This also all but ensures that the controversial "Green Pass" system will also likely continue expanding and being "updated" indefinitely. Already authorities have said that this form of a 'vaccine passport' which gives the holder entry to specified public venues like restaurants, gyms, and publish worship spaces, is subject to expiration depending on if the holder received their second or third dose of the vaccine. 

Now Israelis can look forward to a "pass" that will be dependent on getting a fourth vaccine.

Presumably if a forth jab is in the works, the Green Pass will at the same time eventually be voided for people only on their third dose of COVID-19 vaccine.

Unvaccinated after two doses? Israel was also the first to start talking openly about the "pandemic of the vaxxed"...

Given the pass is good for six months since the last jab, this means Israelis might be ordered to get a fourth shot in a mere half-year... and on and on it will go, apparently.

We give it a mere months if not weeks before officials start floating a 5th future shot, or even a 6th. There will be no end.

[Old55]

2 hours ago, Dave Hounddriver said:

Skipped ahead to page 7 to avoid BS overload.  Did I miss anything?

Mostly cornflakes. 

[scott h]

2 hours ago, Gandang Smile said:

We give it a mere months if not weeks before officials start floating a 5th future shot, or even a 6th.

If that is what it takes to be able to go to a restaurant, go to a resort, a casino or a neighboring country without major restrictions........I am good with it! 

[Gator]

On 9/3/2021 at 1:47 AM, Gandang Smile said:

Polio vaccine, yes. Covid vaccine, who has any proof?

 

GS - As it's based solely on my own personal experience I know what I'm about to say won't be proof to you, but it's more than enough proof for me (and likely for many others too) that the vaccines are working and I feel they should be mandated (as they likely will be).   

As a preface: my cousin "P" is 73 about 35-40 lbs overweight, has emphysema and mild arthritis; her daughter "J", my second cousin, 44 years old, in excellent health = right diet, worked out regularly, heavily into kayaking and jogging, not overweight, well toned. Her husband "M", 47, in excellent health also.

My cousin had gotten two shots of the Pfizer vaccine in March / April; her daughter - unvaccinated (due to her age and her not really wanting it until it was fully FDA approved.....which it is now btw); her husband vaccinated, 2 shots of Moderna at the end of last year (he's an EMT, so got it early). I'm early 60's, not in good health - I smoke cigarettes, am about 20-25 lbs overweight and have some other health issues that would be considered "comorbidities". I got both shots of the Moderna vaccine back in April.

In early August we had dinner together at my cousins house. Two days later my cousin called to say she wasn't feeling well and was coughing uncontrollably. Later that night J took her to a walk in clinic. Both tested positive for COVID, the next day J started showing flu like symptoms. I tested positive as well as M; within a day or so we all were sick.

We were all prescribed Amoxicillin and OTC cold meds (NyQuil or similar). Because of our ages and comorbidities, my cousin and I were also prescribed Dexamethasone (a corticosteroid) and also told to take 2000 mgs of vitamin D and 500 mgs of vitamin C daily (the Dexa depletes vitamin D). We were all told that if the symptoms become worse or if there was no improvement within a week then go to the ER.

Within a 3 days after taking the meds my P, M and I all felt improvement. J got worse and had to be hospitalized.

So GS (or any other anti-vaxers), take it or leave (I really don't care), here is my proof: 

P, M and I = all vaccinated; yes, the Delta variant broke thru and infected us (by whom and where we have no idea); yes, we all got sick, but we RECOVERED and are all now doing well. J = unvaccinated; we buried her earlier this week.

Edited September 4, 2021 by Gator
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[OnMyWay]

2 hours ago, scott h said:

If that is what it takes to be able to go to a restaurant, go to a resort, a casino or a neighboring country without major restrictions........I am good with it! 

The problem is, in a place like the Philippines, they can't deal with this.  So far, I have not been able to get my wife vaccinated at all.  How will Philippines deal with "every 6 months"?

[Gandang Smile]

3 hours ago, Gator said:

GS - As it's based solely on my own personal experience I know what I'm about to say won't be proof to you, but it's more than enough proof for me (and likely for many others too) that the vaccines are working and I feel they should be mandated (as they likely will be).   

As a preface: my cousin "P" is 73 about 35-40 lbs overweight, has emphysema and mild arthritis; her daughter "J", my second cousin, 44 years old, in excellent health = right diet, worked out regularly, heavily into kayaking and jogging, not overweight, well toned. Her husband "M", 47, in excellent health also.

My cousin had gotten two shots of the Pfizer vaccine in March / April; her daughter - unvaccinated (due to her age and her not really wanting it until it was fully FDA approved.....which it is now btw); her husband vaccinated, 2 shots of Moderna at the end of last year (he's an EMT, so got it early). I'm early 60's, not in good health - I smoke cigarettes, am about 20-25 lbs overweight and have some other health issues that would be considered "comorbidities". I got both shots of the Moderna vaccine back in April.

In early August we had dinner together at my cousins house. Two days later my cousin called to say she wasn't feeling well and was coughing uncontrollably. Later that night J took her to a walk in clinic. Both tested positive for COVID, the next day J started showing flu like symptoms. I tested positive as well as M; within a day or so we all were sick.

We were all prescribed Amoxicillin and OTC cold meds (NyQuil or similar). Because of our ages and comorbidities, my cousin and I were also prescribed Dexamethasone (a corticosteroid) and also told to take 2000 mgs of vitamin D and 500 mgs of vitamin C daily (the Dexa depletes vitamin D). We were all told that if the symptoms become worse or if there was no improvement within a week then go to the ER.

Within a 3 days after taking the meds my P, M and I all felt improvement. J got worse and had to be hospitalized.

So GS (or any other anti-vaxers), take it or leave (I really don't care), here is my proof: 

P, M and I = all vaccinated; yes, the Delta variant broke thru and infected us (by whom and where we have no idea); yes, we all got sick, but we RECOVERED and are all now doing well. J = unvaccinated; we buried her earlier this week.

@Gator This is primarily a story about losing a family member, so let me say I am deeply sorry about your loss.

I also heard stories of relatively young people who caught Covid (Delta, Beta?) and ended up in hospital, or worse, in a cemetery.

There are also plenty of stories, and unfortunately it's the majority, of people who tested positive to Covid but were asymptomatic or had very mild common cold-like symptoms.

This whole diatribe we are having is not about me being a no-vaxxer, it's about me being genuinely worried about the political use most world governments are making, of the Covid pandemic, of the consequent vaccination campaign and the (likely at this point) turn to obligatory Green Passes , restrictions or penalties for unvaccinated and - worst of all - periodical shots for potentially a lifetime.

If any or all of the above doesn't seem at least a little unjustified to you, maybe you lived your youth in a Soviet country, where you came to think that this is acceptable, the new normal is acceptable. I chatted with some of my high school friends yesterday, we have a nice WhatsApp group to keep in touch, and most of them were against this state of things, but also resigned.

French people are fighting against restrictions for unvaccinated on the streets, as they usually do. Where are the Italians? Are the Americans doing their part? I am not mentioning the Filipinos, as they usually have more pressing issues at hand, like losing their lifeline if they don't get vaccinated by their companies, or dealing with actual malnutrition, cancer or other tropical diseases.

Yes, your story is sobering and I am happy you vaccinated family members got the good end of the stick. If your poor cousin J had recovered just as well as you, what would your judgement on the vaccine have been?

My wife's first cousin (who we know very well) is an Israeli citizen living near Tel Aviv and, on a recent account, he told us of the absolutely insanity that is going on there, where everybody who gets Covid and ends up in a hospital is fully vaccinated and die just as if the vaccine didn't exist at all.

He is a proud Israeli and doesn't hate anyone in "the system". Yet, he couldn't help concluding that this Covid battle we are trying to fight by locking kids into a poorly-ventilated room with online schooling, crippling SMEs to the point of no return, destroying the tourism and airline industry, imposing identity verification policies that would have made Stalin blush, and prospecting new jabs of experimental concoctions every 6 months...is a lost battle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by Gandang Smile

[Gandang Smile]

1 hour ago, OnMyWay said:

The problem is, in a place like the Philippines, they can't deal with this.  So far, I have not been able to get my wife vaccinated at all.  How will Philippines deal with "every 6 months"?

They will simply live on, as they have always done.

[Jollygoodfellow]

On 9/4/2021 at 12:50 PM, Gandang Smile said:

Maybe you should make one for people who are intolerant of other people's opinions.

What I am tired of is the same debate as you call it introduced into almost every Covid related topic throwing it off course and in the same direction. If you want to start a topic and focus on the "debate" rather than what this topic or any are about do so but dont hijack every topic with the same input.