Forum Support Mike J Posted December 8, 2021 Forum Support Posted December 8, 2021 Worth a read in my opinion. Sheds light on the possible reason why minority groups in the USA had higher rates of death due to covid. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-coronavirus-attacks-fat-tissue-scientists-find/ar-AARCqfv From the start of the pandemic, the coronavirus seemed to target people carrying extra pounds. Patients who were overweight or obese were more likely to develop severe Covid-19 and more likely to die. Though these patients often have health conditions like diabetes that compound their risk, scientists have become increasingly convinced that their vulnerability has something to do with obesity itself. Now researchers have found that the coronavirus infects both fat cells and certain immune cells within body fat, prompting a damaging defensive response in the body. Sign up for The Morning newsletter from The New York Times “The bottom line is, ‘Oh my god, indeed, the virus can infect fat cells directly,’” said Dr. Philipp Scherer, a scientist who studies fat cells at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, who was not involved in the research. “Whatever happens in fat doesn’t stay in fat,” he added. “It affects the neighboring tissues as well.” The research has not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal, but it was posted online in October. If the findings hold up, they may shed light not just on why patients with excess pounds are vulnerable to the virus, but also on why certain younger adults with no other risks become so ill. The study’s authors suggested the evidence could point to new Covid treatments that target body fat. “Maybe that’s the Achilles’ heel that the virus utilizes to evade our protective immune responses — by hiding in this place,” Dr. Vishwa Deep Dixit, a professor of comparative medicine and immunology at Yale School of Medicine, said. The finding is particularly relevant to the United States, which has one of the highest rates of obesity in the world. Most American adults are overweight, and 42 percent have obesity. Black, Hispanic, Native American and Alaska Native people in the U.S. have higher obesity rates than white adults and Asian Americans; they have also been disproportionately affected by the pandemic, with death rates roughly double those of white Americans. “This could well be contributing to severe disease,” Dr. Catherine Blish, a professor at Stanford University Medical Center and one of the report’s two senior authors, said. “We’re seeing the same inflammatory cytokines that I see in the blood of the really sick patients being produced in response to infection of those tissues.” Body fat used to be thought of as inert, a form of storage. But scientists now know that the tissue is biologically active, producing hormones and immune-system proteins that act on other cells, promoting a state of nagging low-grade inflammation even when there is no infection. Inflammation is the body’s response to an invader, and sometimes it can be so vigorous that it is more harmful than the infection that triggered it. Fat tissue is composed mostly of fat cells, or adipocytes. It also contains pre-adipocytes, which mature into fat cells, and a variety of immune cells, including a type called adipose tissue macrophages. Dr. Blish, with colleagues at Stanford and in Germany and Switzerland, carried out experiments to see if fat tissue obtained from bariatric surgery patients could become infected with the coronavirus, and tracked how various types of cells responded. The fat cells themselves could become infected, the scientists found, yet did not become very inflamed. But certain immune cells called macrophages also could be infected, and they developed a robust inflammatory response. Even stranger, the pre-adipocytes were not infected, but contributed to the inflammatory response. (The scientists did not examine whether particular variants were more destructive in this regard than others.) The research team also obtained fat tissue from the bodies of European patients who had died of Covid and discovered the coronavirus in fat near various organs. The idea that adipose tissue might serve as a reservoir for pathogens is not new, Dr. Dixit said. Body fat is known to harbor a number of them, including H.I.V. and the influenza virus. The coronavirus appears to be able to evade the body fat’s immune defenses, which are limited and incapable of fighting it effectively. And in people who are obese, there can be a lot of body fat. A man whose ideal weight is 170 pounds but who weighs 250 pounds is carrying a substantial amount of fat in which the virus may “hang out,” replicate and trigger a destructive immune system response, said Dr. David Kass, a professor of cardiology at Johns Hopkins. “If you really are very obese, fat is the biggest single organ in your body,” Dr. Kass said. The coronavirus “can infect that tissue and actually reside there,” he said. “Whether it hurts it, kills it or at best, it’s a place to amplify itself — it doesn’t matter. It becomes kind of a reservoir.” As the inflammatory response snowballs, cytokines trigger even more inflammation and the release of additional cytokines. “It’s like a perfect storm,” he said. Dr. Blish and her colleagues speculated that infected body fat may even contribute to “long Covid,” a condition describing troublesome symptoms like fatigue that persist for weeks or months after recovery from an acute episode. The data also suggest that Covid vaccines and treatments may need to take into account the patient’s weight and fat stores. “This paper is another wake-up call for the medical profession and public health to look more deeply into the issues of overweight and obese individuals, and the treatments and vaccines we’re giving them,” said Barry Popkin, a professor of nutrition at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who has studied the heightened risk that Covid poses to those with obesity. “We keep documenting the risk they have, but we still aren’t addressing it,” Dr. Popkin said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnMyWay Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 Might be true, but even without this additional evidence, obese people are more likely to many health issues, especially breathing related. The 42 % American obesity rate quoted seems high compared to this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/207436/overweight-and-obesity-rates-for-adults-by-ethnicity/ but I think I have heard ~40% before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 About 78% of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a new study Monday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support scott h Posted December 9, 2021 Forum Support Posted December 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Slim Jim said: have been overweight or obese, I made this comment months ago. During the mass die off in the states, the US news media was trying to tug at the heart strings and showed a picture of an average family somewhere in the midwest. The story goes that something like 5 out of 12 died, several others seriously ill.....ages varied from teens to seniors....the thing was, if you put pads and helmet on them it looked like the picture of the front line of the Green Bay Packers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey G Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 If this is something that scientists just realized, they must have been living under a rock. My doc has told me for over 50 years that maintaining good health and weight is the best preventative to disease and illness. Not a guarantee... but the best thing one could do to prevent/control health issues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 49 minutes ago, Joey G said: If this is something that scientists just realized, they must have been living under a rock. My doc has told me for over 50 years that maintaining good health and weight is the best preventative to disease and illness. Not a guarantee... but the best thing one could do to prevent/control health issues. Of course your DR is giving good advice. What is interesting in this study is that it shows that the fat cells interact with the virus in ways that increase inflammation and the severity of the disease. Before this doctors thought that fat cells were just benign stores of energy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthdome Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 3 hours ago, scott h said: I made this comment months ago. During the mass die off in the states, the US news media was trying to tug at the heart strings and showed a picture of an average family somewhere in the midwest. The story goes that something like 5 out of 12 died, several others seriously ill.....ages varied from teens to seniors....the thing was, if you put pads and helmet on them it looked like the picture of the front line of the Green Bay Packers. I noticed the same thing. Yet the US mainstream media tried very hard to ignore comorbidities like obesity and did not mention any ways you could boost your own immune response, like getting enough sun and/or vitamin D3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support scott h Posted December 9, 2021 Forum Support Posted December 9, 2021 7 hours ago, earthdome said: Yet the US mainstream media tried very hard to ignore Agreed Dome Add to that.......... I am no conspiracy type, I believe Oswald probably shot Kennedy, I believe we landed on the moon and I believe Jimmy Hoffa is really dead (But Elvis does appear every Saturday night at the MGM Grand) In my view, we are also the victims for the pocket protector brigade. You know those egg head types who always got picked last for the baseball team, never became homecoming king and was never asked to the Sadie Hawkins dance. The academics finally have gotten a sense of power (and the like it), the whole world is finally listening to them and they are reluctant to give it up. I have already seen stories from the WHO about the "next" pandemic that we must prepare for. Add to that the prevailing attitude of being risk adverse nowdays..... Oh well, back to my corner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy F. Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 42 minutes ago, scott h said: Agreed Dome Add to that.......... I am no conspiracy type, I believe Oswald probably shot Kennedy, I believe we landed on the moon and I believe Jimmy Hoffa is really dead (But Elvis does appear every Saturday night at the MGM Grand) In my view, we are also the victims for the pocket protector brigade. You know those egg head types who always got picked last for the baseball team, never became homecoming king and was never asked to the Sadie Hawkins dance. The academics finally have gotten a sense of power (and the like it), the whole world is finally listening to them and they are reluctant to give it up. I have already seen stories from the WHO about the "next" pandemic that we must prepare for. Add to that the prevailing attitude of being risk adverse nowdays..... Oh well, back to my corner That is not a tinfoil hat. This is a tinfoil hat: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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