Forum Support Mike J Posted July 15 Forum Support Posted July 15 I am waiting for the movie to come out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Mike J Posted July 15 Forum Support Posted July 15 Wow! 1200 fake birth certificate believed to be Chinese nationals. Average cost 330K peso. https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2024/07/16/2370500/nbi-finds-1200-fake-birth-certificates-davao-del-sur MANILA, Philippines — Not just 200, but up to 1,200 foreigners believed to be Chinese nationals obtained Philippine birth certificates through late birth registration in the Davao del Sur town of Sta. Cruz since 2016. This information was received by the National Bureau of Investigation from the acting civil registrar of Sta. Cruz. The NBI is also verifying reports that several of the 1,200 have criminal records. Last week, initial NBI findings showed that at least 102 cases of questionable late birth registration were recorded in Sta. Cruz town in 2018, 2019 and 2021. “The actual number has grown to 1,200,” NBI Director Jaime Santiago told The STAR yesterday. He said the NBI will also expand its probe on late birth registration to other areas in the country such as Pampanga and Tarlac, where illegal Philippine offshore gaming operator (POGO) hubs were raided in the past weeks. Mario Tizon, who served as Sta. Cruz civil registrar since December 1994, has been suspended, Santiago said. Amid reports that Mayor Alice Guo of Bamban, Tarlac had used late birth registration to claim Philippine citizenship and run for mayor in 2022, the NBI in Davao del Sur had initiated a probe beginning in April into reports of numerous such cases involving Chinese nationals in the province. Tizon was reassigned in April. The NBI regional office said the spurious late birth registration posed a potential national security threat. Last week, Sen. Sherwin Gatchalian said he would file a resolution seeking a Senate probe into reports that the falsified birth certificates were obtained from Sta. Cruz for an average fee of P300,000 each, saying “this could be 200 Alice Guos, which is very concerning.” He said there could be a syndicate in the Philippine Statistics Authority engaged in the fraudulent activity. The PSA supervises civil registrar’s offices nationwide. “Last Saturday I talked to someone in the Chinese community, that the running price to get a birth certificate with a passport and driver’s license is P300,000. Someone is facilitating. In exchange for P300,000, you can get a birth certificate, a passport and a driver’s license. The source of all that is their birth certificate. That’s what I heard. Apparently, there is a modus operandi,” Gatchalian said. A Chinese national who obtained a falsified Philippine birth certificate in Sta. Cruz was arrested by the NBI during operations conducted in Davao del Sur from July 9 to 12. The Chinese, Qui Halin, was arrested following a report from the Department of Foreign Affairs that the 21-year-old provided contradictory statements while applying for a passport to travel to the US, according to NBI Region 11 head Arcelito Albao. Apart from Qui’s inconsistent answers, DFA personnel became suspicious because he could only speak English but not Visayan or Tagalog. Qui, a first year accounting student at the Ateneo de Davao University, used the name Hengson Jabilles Limonsero when he applied for a passport, Albao said. The Chinese presented a Philippine birth certificate, a PSA national identification card and driver’s license. The NBI said Qui has admitted having a Chinese passport. Albao said Qui was born in China’s southern province of Fujian and brought to Davao City when he was 10 years old. He obtained his birth certificate in Sta. Cruz in 2013. His family owns a hardware store in the city’s Chinatown along Ramon Magsaysay Avenue. Albao said Qui’s father is in Fujian while his mother, with the Filipino name Felisa, is in Barangay Inawayan in Sta. Cruz. The NBI is investigating if Felisa, who also could not speak Visayan or Tagalog when Albao talked to her on the phone, is also using a Philippine passport. The family is not engaged in POGOs, the NBI said. Charges are being readied against Qui for violations of the New Philippine Passport Act, falsification of public documents, forgery, using a fictitious name and concealing his real name. BI coordinating with NBI, PSA Meanwhile, the Bureau of Immigration (BI) is coordinating with the NBI and the PSA as part of its investigation on the reported 200 falsified birth certificates issued in Davao del Sur. In a statement, BI Commissioner Norman Tansingco said he has requested the NBI for the names and other details associated with the 200 falsified birth certificates issued by the Sta. Cruz, Davao del Sur local civil registry. The BI has also requested information from the PSA on all Filipinos who availed themselves of late registration to get their birth certificates. He added that they would cross-check the data to verify if these individuals were issued or had used Philippine passports. The BI has been raising concerns about the presence of “fake Filipinos” since holding at least 10 foreign nationals pretending to be Filipinos and possessing fraudulently acquired Philippine documents last year. Last week alone, the BI said it intercepted four cases of fraudulently acquired Philippine citizenship. “Once they present themselves as a Filipino, they are already removed from the purview of the BI which monitors foreigners. Apart from this, they are able to present layers and layers of Philippine documents, all original, pushing for their claim,” Tansingco said. He said that foreigners were able to acquire numerous Philippine documents after illegally acquiring foundational documents such as birth certificates. He added that such documents can be used by foreign nationals involved in terrorism, heinous crimes or fraud. It would also imply that illegal aliens may end up being able to vote, or assimilate themselves in the society while conducting their illegal activities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support scott h Posted July 15 Forum Support Posted July 15 35 minutes ago, Mike J said: Average cost 330K peso. Time for one of those "lifestyle checks" on some of those employees eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftbeerlover Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Mike J said: Wow! 1200 fake birth certificate believed to be Chinese nationals. Average cost 330K peso. https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2024/07/16/2370500/nbi-finds-1200-fake-birth-certificates-davao-del-sur MANILA, Philippines — Not just 200, but up to 1,200 foreigners believed to be Chinese nationals obtained Philippine birth certificates through late birth registration in the Davao del Sur town of Sta. Cruz since 2016. This information was received by the National Bureau of Investigation from the acting civil registrar of Sta. Cruz. The NBI is also verifying reports that several of the 1,200 have criminal records. Last week, initial NBI findings showed that at least 102 cases of questionable late birth registration were recorded in Sta. Cruz town in 2018, 2019 and 2021. “The actual number has grown to 1,200,” NBI Director Jaime Santiago told The STAR yesterday. He said the NBI will also expand its probe on late birth registration to other areas in the country such as Pampanga and Tarlac, where illegal Philippine offshore gaming operator (POGO) hubs were raided in the past weeks. Mario Tizon, who served as Sta. Cruz civil registrar since December 1994, has been suspended, Santiago said. Amid reports that Mayor Alice Guo of Bamban, Tarlac had used late birth registration to claim Philippine citizenship and run for mayor in 2022, the NBI in Davao del Sur had initiated a probe beginning in April into reports of numerous such cases involving Chinese nationals in the province. Tizon was reassigned in April. The NBI regional office said the spurious late birth registration posed a potential national security threat. Last week, Sen. Sherwin Gatchalian said he would file a resolution seeking a Senate probe into reports that the falsified birth certificates were obtained from Sta. Cruz for an average fee of P300,000 each, saying “this could be 200 Alice Guos, which is very concerning.” He said there could be a syndicate in the Philippine Statistics Authority engaged in the fraudulent activity. The PSA supervises civil registrar’s offices nationwide. “Last Saturday I talked to someone in the Chinese community, that the running price to get a birth certificate with a passport and driver’s license is P300,000. Someone is facilitating. In exchange for P300,000, you can get a birth certificate, a passport and a driver’s license. The source of all that is their birth certificate. That’s what I heard. Apparently, there is a modus operandi,” Gatchalian said. A Chinese national who obtained a falsified Philippine birth certificate in Sta. Cruz was arrested by the NBI during operations conducted in Davao del Sur from July 9 to 12. The Chinese, Qui Halin, was arrested following a report from the Department of Foreign Affairs that the 21-year-old provided contradictory statements while applying for a passport to travel to the US, according to NBI Region 11 head Arcelito Albao. Apart from Qui’s inconsistent answers, DFA personnel became suspicious because he could only speak English but not Visayan or Tagalog. Qui, a first year accounting student at the Ateneo de Davao University, used the name Hengson Jabilles Limonsero when he applied for a passport, Albao said. The Chinese presented a Philippine birth certificate, a PSA national identification card and driver’s license. The NBI said Qui has admitted having a Chinese passport. Albao said Qui was born in China’s southern province of Fujian and brought to Davao City when he was 10 years old. He obtained his birth certificate in Sta. Cruz in 2013. His family owns a hardware store in the city’s Chinatown along Ramon Magsaysay Avenue. Albao said Qui’s father is in Fujian while his mother, with the Filipino name Felisa, is in Barangay Inawayan in Sta. Cruz. The NBI is investigating if Felisa, who also could not speak Visayan or Tagalog when Albao talked to her on the phone, is also using a Philippine passport. The family is not engaged in POGOs, the NBI said. Charges are being readied against Qui for violations of the New Philippine Passport Act, falsification of public documents, forgery, using a fictitious name and concealing his real name. BI coordinating with NBI, PSA Meanwhile, the Bureau of Immigration (BI) is coordinating with the NBI and the PSA as part of its investigation on the reported 200 falsified birth certificates issued in Davao del Sur. In a statement, BI Commissioner Norman Tansingco said he has requested the NBI for the names and other details associated with the 200 falsified birth certificates issued by the Sta. Cruz, Davao del Sur local civil registry. The BI has also requested information from the PSA on all Filipinos who availed themselves of late registration to get their birth certificates. He added that they would cross-check the data to verify if these individuals were issued or had used Philippine passports. The BI has been raising concerns about the presence of “fake Filipinos” since holding at least 10 foreign nationals pretending to be Filipinos and possessing fraudulently acquired Philippine documents last year. Last week alone, the BI said it intercepted four cases of fraudulently acquired Philippine citizenship. “Once they present themselves as a Filipino, they are already removed from the purview of the BI which monitors foreigners. Apart from this, they are able to present layers and layers of Philippine documents, all original, pushing for their claim,” Tansingco said. He said that foreigners were able to acquire numerous Philippine documents after illegally acquiring foundational documents such as birth certificates. He added that such documents can be used by foreign nationals involved in terrorism, heinous crimes or fraud. It would also imply that illegal aliens may end up being able to vote, or assimilate themselves in the society while conducting their illegal activities. Been beating this drum for years. All of this is the tip of the iceberg. What started during the last administration was an orchestrated, systematic invasion. Sounds a little melodramatic, but I honestly believe this has happened, and it is going to be a tough road to undo what has been done. There is the 'known' such as places like kawit cavite, (pogo island) bought by unnamed Chinese-Filipino investors engaged in POGO, and then there is the 'unknown' with the millions of chinese coming into the Philippines during that time-period. Now they are linking Micheal Yang's brother to pogo and illegal activities (michael yang chinese citizen that served as the economic advisor to the President of the Philippines). They are now discovering "billions" of pesos in Alice Guo's 26 bank accounts, and that is just alice guo. What a mess... some of you still defend pogo here; good luck with that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support scott h Posted July 16 Forum Support Posted July 16 21 minutes ago, craftbeerlover said: some of you still defend pogo here Thats me! With the caveats that due diligence is given to the licensing of investors, the BOI actually screens prospective foreign employees, that cities and barangays actually inspects POGO facilities, that PAGOR actually collects licensing fees, that BIR actually collects taxes that are due, that the PNP actually enforces existing laws and not moonlight as security for the POGOs. Will these things happen? Not in our lifetimes . But I sincerely believe that if the above prerequisites are met the POGOs would be a potential cash cow. With the bonus that they are a stick in the eye to the ccp who have wanted them gone for years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftbeerlover Posted July 16 Posted July 16 (edited) 20 hours ago, scott h said: Thats me! With the caveats that due diligence is given to the licensing of investors, the BOI actually screens prospective foreign employees, that cities and barangays actually inspects POGO facilities, that PAGOR actually collects licensing fees, that BIR actually collects taxes that are due, that the PNP actually enforces existing laws and not moonlight as security for the POGOs. Will these things happen? Not in our lifetimes . But I sincerely believe that if the above prerequisites are met the POGOs would be a potential cash cow. With the bonus that they are a stick in the eye to the ccp who have wanted them gone for years. Well given all the caveats you stated are impossible, my guess is you have had a change of heart. Filipinos agree with you :) https://opinion.inquirer.net/175111/pogo-elements-in-a-posh-village Tomorrow, residents of the posh Ayala Alabang Village (AAV) in Muntinlupa City will hold a motorcade in their area to protest the presence of Pogos (Philippine offshore gaming operators) elements in their subdivision who have caused worry, suspicion, and disturbance in their lives. On their gates, many have hung tarps with the message: “NO POGO, BODYGUARDS, GAMBLING.” Some who live close to the suspected Pogo lairs could have been overcome with fear and did not hang the tarps. Why have these undesirable aliens, Chinese nationals to be specific, made a gated, upper-class, residential community their place of choice? Your answers are as good as mine, security among them and the unlikelihood of being found operating in their hidden lair. No prying eyes, or so they think. What many other “safe, exclusive havens” like AAV have they penetrated? How could they afford enormous rental fees of not less than half a million pesos a month, one year paid in advance? And how are some of them, with the use of Filipino dummies, able to purchase and own property bought with astronomic sums? Where does the money come from? Who can refuse the offer? Who are they, what are they, why are they … Alien infestation (from Xi Jinping’s China) of condominiums is another story. Condo residents have their own harrowing stories to tell. So do taxi drivers who ferry the abominable pests. I have spoken lengthily with an AAV resident whose plaint can be summarized in a “manifesto against bodyguards and Pogos” from a group of homeowners to which he belongs. Excerpts: “We are a group of Alabang residents who are outraged by the deteriorating peace and order situation in our once-peaceful and tranquil community. We believe we should no longer be silent and allow our families to be exposed to danger inside our sanctuary. And we should no longer allow the property values of Ayala Alabang to deteriorate because of our silence … “Background: This sorry situation started to creep into our community some seven plus years ago when Pogos were allowed to operate in the country after being banned in China. (Note: They were welcomed by the China-enamored Duterte presidency.) “Stage 1 saw houses being rented out to foreigners at exorbitant prices. Soon, we started to see armed bodyguards around some of these houses, along with high-end fancy cars. Some were converted into staff houses in blatant violation of AAVA’s One Family Policy. “Stage 2 saw the construction of huge houses by bona fide local owners or by dummy corporations. Most of these houses have basements and are much taller than adjoining houses which you may call as ‘in-your-face’ violation of our Deed of Restrictions. With the influx of foreigners and their bodyguards who are associated with Pogos and other illegal activities, it was inevitable that criminal activities involving gambling, kidnapping and killings, hold-ups, and robbery were committed inside our once-peaceful community. “Ongoing security measures: There are about 125 houses under surveillance by AAVA and Barangay Ayala Alabang. Plans are to add more CCTV cameras in as many strategic locations as possible. “Here are recent examples of why we feel threatened in our very own community. 1) Brawl of bodyguards in Balayan [St.] last May 18. These bodyguards turned out to be active Special Action Force members from Zamboanga who were hired by a foreign resident of Ayala Alabang. (Note: Nine members of the military have been reported dismissed because of their involvement in this incident.) “What is frightening is that the undesirables have found a way to bribe military officers in faraway Zamboanga to assign active soldiers as bodyguards in Ayala Alabang.” The manifesto cites examples of foreigners involved in gambling and possession of unlicensed firearms, hold-up incidents, and even kidnapping of six foreigners, including a child, with four mutilated bodies found in Rizal and Quezon. Two houses had been operating as a “shabu” laboratory. Last year, National Bureau of Investigation operatives arrested 11 foreigners for possessing unlicensed firearms. My source said that Muntinlupa Mayor Rozzano Rufino Biazon, like several city mayors in Metro Manila, had banned Pogos in his city. In the case of AAV, the Pogos may not be operating in the village (like they do big-scale in the raided Pogo hubs—I call them townships—in Pampanga and Tarlac). But the Chinese nationals renting the AAV residences could be Pogo personnel or operatives assigned covert tasks that may be political in nature. Rev up your rich imagination, you are not being paranoid. Young men are often seen going out in groups. My source observed that the food supply seems to arrive from somewhere, a commissary perhaps, not ordered online. Some women have been seen leaving in the wee hours of the morning and shuttled to the village gate. If gated residential communities are no longer impervious to destructive alien intrusions, then the undesirables have really settled in to carry out their task to take over our landscape, to be spies in a country they covet. Pogos are the advance party from hell. The enemy at the gates? No, in our midst. Edited July 16 by Mike J Posted text of article per forum rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support scott h Posted July 16 Forum Support Posted July 16 15 minutes ago, craftbeerlover said: my guess is you have had a change of heart Not really, I have always held this view. 16 minutes ago, craftbeerlover said: Well given all the caveats you stated are impossible Not impossible, just very, very, very unlikely lolol. Does not change the fact that if managed properly it makes economic sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted July 16 Forum Support Posted July 16 Forum members can freely share their opinions here not everyone is going to agree and that's Okay. Arguing, snarky replies or attempting to get the last word in is not helpful. Let's all be a bit more respectful please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftbeerlover Posted July 16 Posted July 16 3 minutes ago, Old55 said: Forum members can freely share their opinions here not everyone is going to agree and that's Okay. Arguing, snarky replies or attempting to get the last word in is not helpful. Let's all be a bit more respectful please. wow, just a harmless debate. I did not consider any remarks/replies as an attack, or inflammatory, and I hope others felt the same about my comments. Geeeeez, do you really want to draw the line on a civil back and forth? Harmless sarcasm/facetiousness is embedded in a majority of the topics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baronapart Posted July 16 Posted July 16 3 hours ago, scott h said: Thats me! With the caveats that due diligence is given to the licensing of investors, the BOI actually screens prospective foreign employees, that cities and barangays actually inspects POGO facilities, that PAGOR actually collects licensing fees, that BIR actually collects taxes that are due, that the PNP actually enforces existing laws and not moonlight as security for the POGOs. Will these things happen? Not in our lifetimes . But I sincerely believe that if the above prerequisites are met the POGOs would be a potential cash cow. With the bonus that they are a stick in the eye to the ccp who have wanted them gone for years. It's a pity that they don't handle POGOs with the same diligence and preparation that they give beauty contests and high school dance competitions. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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