NAIA Parking Now p1200 Per Night

[Joey G]

A perfect example of the Philippines moving quickly to 1st World Status!!!  

 

[Clermont]

2 hours ago, Joey G said:

perfect example of the Philippines moving quickly to 1st World Status!

Arr yes, we’ve all written about how good our own countries are, now when the Philippines tries to move into the 1 st world status by changing exorbitant prices for their utilities, shock, horror, thieves and all the rest. Then we have the worker who wants 700 P for a days work, that’s less than 20$ for a days work, guess what, if you pay less you get the monkeys. A lot of the tradesmen we use have had overseas experience and do overseas quality work, why can’t they ask a descent payment for their work. Yes we went through a few workers first off, but when we found the good workers, we paid extra to keep them, so in my opinion suck it up and do what you came over to do, ENJOY.

[scott h]

On 10/1/2024 at 7:33 AM, OnMyWay said:

This is a game changer for me

I know this will not help you with your long-term parking problem. But sometimes it helps to understand why things happen.

As you can imagine this is turning into a major wildfire on local social media and newspapers. More and more details are coming out about the parking situation.

It is starting look that if we are looking for a culprit it is really the Filipino attitude of "What's mine is mine, what's yours is Mine".  Turns out that employees from the local casino, and high-end hotels park there and walk across the newly built elevated walkway to work. Likewise, residents of the new condos near the airport, instead of spending money for their own parking spot, it has been cheaper to park and pay at the airport. Airlines and airport concessioners used to have employee shuttles (this might force them to bring them back)

Parking has always been at a premium here in the Metro. Our local SM used to have free parking, then some condos were built next door and now it is pay parking. A nearby Walter Mart still has free parking, but when school starts the lot is full of student cars during class. There is a church near our city hall that has its parking blocked off and the cathedral next to public hospital charges folks going to church to keep the hospital employees out. It is never ending here.

Anyway, it does not help you with your particular need, but local opinion is leaning towards support of San Miguel's decision. 

[Joey G]

1 hour ago, scott h said:

It is starting look that if we are looking for a culprit it is really the Filipino attitude of "What's mine is mine, what's yours is Mine".  Turns out that employees from the local casino, and high-end hotels park there and walk across the newly built elevated walkway to work. Likewise, residents of the new condos near the airport, instead of spending money for their own parking spot, it has been cheaper to park and pay at the airport. Airlines and airport concessioners used to have employee shuttles (this might force them to bring them back)

This true... but  anyone parking more than day probably doesn't use the parking lot for work or even at home.  It wouldn't take anything to prorate the charge for longer stays.  I think it's a combo of the stated "problem" and an opportunity to charge more (with zero effort to manage the problem). Can't say I'm shocked.  

[OnMyWay]

3 hours ago, scott h said:

It is starting look that if we are looking for a culprit it is really the Filipino attitude of "What's mine is mine, what's yours is Mine".  Turns out that employees from the local casino, and high-end hotels park there and walk across the newly built elevated walkway to work. Likewise, residents of the new condos near the airport, instead of spending money for their own parking spot, it has been cheaper to park and pay at the airport. Airlines and airport concessioners used to have employee shuttles (this might force them to bring them back)

Such a simple solution.  Short and long term areas like most airports.  Short term has a rate that would make it expensive to stay for more than an hour or two.  Long term requires showing your booking and has a reasonable rate.

3 hours ago, scott h said:

but local opinion is leaning towards support of San Miguel's decision. 

I really find that hard to believe.  Do you have some links?  Here is Subic everyone finds it outrageous.  Some quotes:

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This is outrageous. All they need to do is to have a two-tiered system. Those who park long-term should be able to show their boarding pass to get the old rates.  That would solve the problem without punishing legitimate travelers.

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It’s just taking their scam legit, I regularly past at T1 and T3, the T3 covered parking is closed (apparently full) almost every day, but if you slip down the ramp a bit and come back up to the parking entrance the guards take money and let you into all the vacant parking, I guess that pocket fund has now moved up the food chain

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So parking will cost sometime more then  Tickets if you are traveling local 

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[Possum]

I used to travel a lot from Palm Beach Florida and use the airport provided economy parking. You could even use a toll transponder to enter and exit. It still cost $7/day or 390php/day. Parking for one month trips cost me $210, the same one month trip from MNL $642. This seems to be an excessive increase just to stop some cheapskates from nearby condos and businesses. Parking at the Marriott across the street is 60/hr, maybe that's who they're trying to compete with. As parking is at a premium in Manila perhaps they wish to use the NAIA parking like any other parking facility in the area

[Lee]

T-3 parking/MRT-6.5

CTALK - Cito Beltran - The Philippine Star 

October 4, 2024 | 12:00am

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The hottest topic in town for nearly a week has been all about the increased parking rates at the NAIA Terminal 3. The topic was so hot that it even overshadowed the ongoing congressional quad comm investigations.

The interesting part is that after all was said and done, it turns out that the NNIC decision was correct. By Wednesday, Oct. 2, images were circulating on social media featuring ample parking space at the T3 multiple level parking garage. Posts even mentioned the usually full ground level had available slots.

As humans it is understandable that we prioritize our needs and convenience. But as citizens, consumers and commuters, we Filipinos must start to accept and respect “purpose or design purpose.”

In the world of architecture and construction, there is constant discussion if not debate over “form” and “function”, Some say “form” must follow “function,” but among the irreverent “fashionistas” they will say “porma before function.”

In terms of buildings and service facilities such as parking lots, the T3’s primary purpose is to provide readily available parking space for airline passengers. Secondary clients would be the airport personnel involved in operations.

Some airline crew complained that they too need parking. That is something they should take up with their unions because there was a time when their benefits included shuttle service. Unbeknownst to many, there are still large areas outside the NNIC areas that belong to MIAA and leased to airlines, they have space.

Two other groups that create crowds and eat up parking space are the too many small locators as well as different law enforcement units and government agencies. Given their regular operating schedules in our airports, they too should be provided shuttle services and not have to use their private vehicles and park all day.

What came as a surprise to many was the revelation that there were also many car owners using the T3 parking but working or doing business outside T3. This is the same problem experienced by other establishments and even barangays in Metro Manila where people leave cars and walk to nearby offices without ever thinking about the inconvenience they cause others.

You may be wondering where is the MRT-6.5? Is this a new train project of the Marcos government? Is it some unannounced rail project? Where will it be passing through?

The truth is the MRT-6.5 is simply what I expect will happen when local politicians use their power to oppose a project designed and approved by the national government in order to redirect the project to favor powerful real estate developers and local investors. If you don’t want the completed version MRT-7 then you will get MRT-6.5.

Last Sept. 28, 2024, I wrote in my column that the MRT-7 will be delayed by a year or two because the LGU of San Jose del Monte, Bulacan had opposed the design of MRT-7 within their territory. This shocked many people, especially in the national government side, because the opposition should have been expressed many years before the project made its way towards SJDM, Bulacan.

Even future riders of the MRT-7 expressed their frustration because they themselves have made sacrifices by enduring the added traffic related to the on-going construction of MRT-7 that has been going on for years. To them, the opposition of the SJDM, Bulacan LGU simply means they now must wait even longer.

As many suspected, the SJDM LGU was not totally opposed to the MRT-7, they want to redirect it to become a strong added feature for up and coming commercial and residential real estate developments owned by big and influential companies.

The problem is, national development projects are not redesigned or moved around like chess pieces or bottle caps when playing “dama.” The MRT-7 is not just about routing, it involves environmental consideration, social and economic benefits to communities and the supply chain covered in the route. It involves project viability, cost and long-term operation and success, all of which impact future projects of government.

To change the final stretch of the MRT-7 would take a monumental task, require a couple of years of study with no guarantee if the revision would be viable. A redesign would require renegotiations between the government and those involved in various aspects of the construction, and then the builders would have to go to their investors, fund sources or creditors to explain the madness and renegotiate terms as well.

With all that in mind, there are no guarantees if the redesign and restudy would have the same or better outcomes than the current MRT-7 design. While all of that happens, what will the builders of the MRT-7 do? Do they stop at some junction and wait several years for a decision to arrive? Do they carry on building at the risk of being redirected or disapproved?

Well, they say that you cannot fight City Hall, especially in the Philippines, and on the other hand, you cannot run a business based on somebody else’s plans. That’s where MRT-6.5 comes in.

If the completion of the full length of the MRT-7 is now full of uncertainties due to the SJDM opposition, then the national government should either step in and impose National Interest or tell the builders to end the project somewhere in Fairview, Quezon City.

If MRT-7 gets shortened to MRT-6.5, I am certain that thousands of people in Bulacan will create such an uproar about their lost convenience. SJDM residents and voters will have to live with their politics, tricycles and jeepneys and NO MRT. We in the media will certainly have a field day reminding the public about who was behind it all.

 

https://www.philstar.com/opinion/2024/10/04/2389972/t-3-parkingmrt-65

[OnMyWay]

3 hours ago, Lee said:

The interesting part is that after all was said and done, it turns out that the NNIC decision was correct. By Wednesday, Oct. 2, images were circulating on social media featuring ample parking space at the T3 multiple level parking garage. Posts even mentioned the usually full ground level had available slots.

For those not familiar, I looked it up and NNIC is the name of the San Miguel corporation set up to run the airport.

The decision was correct because there are spots?  What kind of friggin logic is that?  Of course there are spots.  Nobody, including travelers, wants to pay that joke of a price.  Many were probably unprepared and had no other options for this trip, so more spots will open too.

(FYI, I never found the gate at terminal 3 parking structure open and I could see open spots.  The neighbor I quoted in another post said you have to bribe the guards to get in.)

With market pricing, you gradually raise prices until the sweet spot is found.  You don't throw out a 400% increase and hope that it is the sweet spot.

Of course, the Filipino gov in charged botched the contract and did not put anything in to give some oversight to pricing.  San Mig also owns some toll roads but they don't have the right to charge anything they want.  They have to get approval.

[GeoffH]

1 hour ago, OnMyWay said:

The decision was correct because there are spots?  What kind of friggin logic is that?

The stated intention was to create a parking bay where there were spare spaces available and they've clearly done that.

People will make thier own choices about whether they see value in an 'available 1200 peso parking bay'.

I will say this though... I see zero value in an unavailable 300 peso parking bay.

[scott h]

7 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

Here is Subic everyone finds it outrageous

I can very well understand these opinions from folks coming from Subic. They, like yourself, would use it as you described in your first post. Book a short vacation, park the car fly out and return. While the folks here in Manila either have a family member drop them off, hire a taxi, or as I have done, arrive and hour early, park, get the arriving person, shlep to the car pay for 2-hours parking and boggie. I remember the last time I picked someone up at the airport and parked, I did finally find a place, all the way at the back on a grass verge that really wasn't a designated spot. I don't remember how much I paid then. But if the new rate is 50p an hour I am in and out for 100p.

All I can say is that the folks I talk to here in the Airport area don't have a problem with it, in fact they are in favor of it.

As an aside, weather this was taken into consideration or not. If you are picking someone up at the terminal it is a mess, cars weaving in and out, folks loading and unloading in traffic lanes (because inconsiderate people ignore the enforcers who try to move them from waiting curbside). Maybe, just maybe one of the thoughts is that if there is more parking available, more people will park, gather their passenger and leave and not circle the terminal several times waiting for the passanger to exit the terminal. (I have done that a time or two myself) Just a thought