NAIA Parking Now p1200 Per Night

[OnMyWay]

2 hours ago, scott h said:

All I can say is that the folks I talk to here in the Airport area don't have a problem with it, in fact they are in favor of it.

Yes, of course, it does not matter to them as, like you said, they can just grab a grab or have family drop them.  They probably don't use long term parking anyway.  And when they drive for drop off / pickup, plenty of free spots for short term parking at a reasonable rate.

It matters to the folks from outlying areas.  Most people from outlying areas hate driving to and in Manila metro.  Traffic and corruption makes it miserable.  So, they finally build expressways to avoid all that on the ground level, and take you directly into the airport.  Now, they make the longer term airport parking unaffordable.

The whole argument that this is the solution to the issue of non-airport users taking up lots of spaces is just stupid.  There are common sense solutions for that, already mentioned.

 

[OnMyWay]

13 hours ago, scott h said:

It is starting look that if we are looking for a culprit it is really the Filipino attitude of "What's mine is mine, what's yours is Mine".  Turns out that employees from the local casino, and high-end hotels park there and walk across the newly built elevated walkway to work. Likewise, residents of the new condos near the airport, instead of spending money for their own parking spot, it has been cheaper to park and pay at the airport. Airlines and airport concessioners used to have employee shuttles (this might force them to bring them back)

Is this problem mainly terminal 3?  I saw terminal 3 mentioned in the article you sent me.  The new rates apply to every lot:

[scott h]

40 minutes ago, OnMyWay said:

It matters to the folks from outlying areas

Everything you say is true. I am not denying it. It sucks for those folks out in the provinces. Having said that, I think you will agree that NAIA as it was just plain sucked. The government after years has made no headway. So they bring in a business to fix it. The business is not going to do it out of humanitarian and altruistic reasons. They will fix it and make money while they do. One of the many big complaints was parking and traffic. They identified "one" of the causes of the problem and came up with a solution. 

So, if you're a business do you come up with a fix that upsets 100 folks who come into use the airport 2,3,4 times a year? Or do you go with the solution that makes things better for 1000's of folks on a daily basis.

For folks like you and how you use the parking, IT SUX!!! it really does SUX! I agree, I hear you, I really do. But like I said at the very beginning, drastic problems sometimes require drastic measures. And I will be willing to bet with the state NAIA is in right now, this will not be the last very, very unpopular mandate that comes down the pipe.

[OnMyWay]

10 hours ago, scott h said:

So, if you're a business do you come up with a fix that upsets 100 folks who come into use the airport 2,3,4 times a year? Or do you go with the solution that makes things better for 1000's of folks on a daily basis.

Nonsense. 

First, it is not 100 people 2,3,4 times a year.  It is thousands of people some of which fly frequently.  People from the outskirts of Manila or areas of Manila farther from the airport.  All over Luzon.  People who enjoy the new expressways and willingly pay the tolls to get the airport.  Many of my neighbors own businesses and have to use NAIA frequently.  It is anybody who does not live near enough to the airport to use taxis, etc.  Who do you think is using all those spaces now?   It certainly is not just non-airport users and short term parkers.

Imagine this.  You are part of a committee of ten logical people put in charge of finding solutions to parking problems at all parking lots at NAIA.  Your goal is not profit, as they have stated.  One of the issues is non-airport users parking in SOME airport lots.  You spend a month looking at all the issues and many solutions are discussed.  You gather data on the lot users.  You do some surveys.  Some solutions will require a small investment and others a large investment.  Some, no investment.  Some solutions are short term, some long term.  Some solutions apply to some lots but not to others.  Etc., etc.

At the end of the day, your solution is:  Make no investment in any lot, and raise the overnight rate on EVERY lot by 400% on day 1.

Sounds logical to me.

Edited October 5 by OnMyWay

[scott h]

15 minutes ago, OnMyWay said:

First, it is not 100 people

The number 100, was not meant to be literal, more of a ratio.

Anyway, the bottom line (as I see it anyway) the people of Metro are in favor of it. Folks in your situation are not. 

I do not think you will beat city hall on this one, so let's find a solution.

There are several vacant lots in my neighborhood that the owner rent out for parking. Not sure of the price but call it 2k a month, something like that. If you would like when your family is ready for a trip, let me know. I can meet you at a our local SM (SM Sucat on D. A. Santos Ave. (it is on google maps)). Or some other nearby landmark near the express way, I'll drop you at the airport (4.5 kilometers away) park your vehicle and pick you up again upon return. Exact details can be worked out..............I literally walk to the cargo terminal once a week on my daily exercise route (terminal 1 and 2 are a bit far loololol) so it really would not be that big of a deal.

[OnMyWay]

25 minutes ago, scott h said:

I do not think you will beat city hall on this one, so let's find a solution.

Thanks for the offer, but that is not the point.

It is not city hall.

We looked up the administrative order, a copy of which may be seen here. Under Part II, Section 3, it states that “vehicle parking after the first two (2) hours” is among the non-regulated fees and charges. The issuance further explains this under Section 2 of Part V, which specifically covers vehicle parking fees: “Airport Operator is free to charge for vehicle parking after the first two hours on a commercial basis.”

https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motoring-news/new-naia-infra-corp-statement-naia-parking-rates-2024-a2578-20241001

[Jack Peterson]

16 minutes ago, OnMyWay said:

“Airport Operator is free to charge for vehicle parking after the first two hours on a commercial basis.”

 There you have it case closed for me. It seems it is what it is and we will just have to get over it EH?

[OnMyWay]

11 minutes ago, Jack Peterson said:

 There you have it case closed for me. It seems it is what it is and we will just have to get over it EH?

You have no skin in the game and I have no power, but others do.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/other/naia-parking-rate-hike-jeered-smc-led-group-explains/ar-AA1ry6wC

MANILA, Philippines — Consumer and transport rights advocates are questioning the substantial increase starting Tuesday in the parking rates at Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia), calling it unjustified and contrary to public interest.

Effective Oct. 1, overnight or 24-hour parking fees for cars increased to P1,200 from the current P300. For short-term parking, the fee rose to P50 for the first two hours and P25 for every succeeding hour, from P40 for the first three hours and P15 for every succeeding hour.

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Consumers Union of the Philippines (CUP) president Rodel Taton described the new rates as “really high” as it quadrupled the overnight fee and sharply raised the hourly rate.

READ: SMC group all set to take over Naia on Sept 14

“The fact that the New Naia Infrastructure Corp. (NNIC), the winning bidder, is prepared to deliver back to [MIAA] 82.16 percent of its gross revenues from its operation of Naia is prima facie indication of the reason why rates that were eventually adopted in the 2024 MIAA revised administrative order were too high, unreasonable, detrimental to the public and against public policy,” Taton said in a message sent to the Inquirer.

MIAA stands for the Manila International Airport Authority.

The group Passenger Forum said the new Naia management should defer the adjustments and hold public consultations first.

Easing traffic congestion

But NNIC, the consortium that recently took over the operations of Naia, defended the new rates in a statement on Tuesday, saying they were needed to reduce congestion and optimize Naia car park operations.

It also clarified that the adjustments, the first in more than a decade, were issued by the MIAA before the airport’s management was handed over to the consortium.

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The consortium led by San Miguel Corp. (SMC) also said the previous rates “unintentionally encouraged misuse of the airport’s limited parking spaces.”

“Many individuals, including those from nearby establishments and with no airport-related business, were taking advantage of the low rates for overnight or long-term parking. This created a parking shortage for actual passengers, adding to congestion and frustration,” it added.

The higher rates are expected to discourage nontravelers from using the airport parking space meant for passengers, it said.

No public consultation

“By discouraging long-term and overnight parking, the new rates will reduce the number of vehicles circling the airport to search for spaces, easing traffic flow and improving the overall airport experience,” it added.

Taton also pointed out that vehicle parking was considered by the airport management as a regulated charge for the first two hours, but suddenly it became a nonregulated charge after two hours.

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“Absent a transportation plan that focuses on public mass transportation that connects the airport, measures such as this increase in parking fees will just be seen merely as profit-driven,” Passenger Forum convener Primo Morillo told the Inquirer in a phone interview.

Morillo added that his group would seek a dialogue with the new airport management on the matter.

Future rate adjustments

Also expected to increase beginning next year are terminal fees—which were last adjusted about 20 years ago—from the current P200 to P390 for domestic flights, and from P550 to 950 for international flights.

According to a 2024 MIAA order, the passenger terminal fees will be adjusted again in the sixth and 11th year of the 15-year concession period.

If it is extended by another 10 years, adjustments on the fees will be done again in the 16th and 21st year.

[Jack Peterson]

2 hours ago, OnMyWay said:

You have no skin in the game and I have no power, but others do.

 Ha Ha, Typical answer from you,  Give it a couple of weeks and it will only be kept  alive here

Edited October 5 by Jack Peterson
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[OnMyWay]

1 hour ago, Jack Peterson said:

Ha Ha, Typical answer from you,