Inspector Posted June 20, 2011 Posted June 20, 2011 So you're saying her outburst had nothing to do with the father calling her a slut, murderer and every other bad name in the book and saying he wanted to see her jailed for the rest of her life? Would that not make any emotional person say the things that girl said once things started to go her way?Guess who is the PRIME suspect in any country of the world...aside from the one ship Philippines? :AddEmoticons04230: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Posted June 20, 2011 Posted June 20, 2011 Remember when they HAD them? :AddEmoticons04230:“Their words are very unequivocal. There was no malice in the way they talk. They know these are the people who took their playmate away,” Enriquez said after talking with the children himself.:lol:You simply can't make this shet up....:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Posted June 20, 2011 Posted June 20, 2011 Another update for those wishing to follow this, and possibly finally bringing this to a head if no photos inside the USB drives are that of the little girl who was killed, or other children. I would doubt those charged would be foolish enough to keep photos of the girl on there, but even photos erased can usually be recovered by experts unless the drive was totally reformatted. Showing of Bella Santos' USB contents postponed Experts?You said experts and police as if they were in some way had a relation to each other. :hystery:How about this more plausible event...being they had time for "experts" to recover kiddie porn that they were watching, over a month now since this post...and using sex toys on each other as they watched...or, filmed themselves for the big bucks later on. Ready?This is the common sense, profiling suspect method that most police investigators use all over the world. They are innocent, there is NO evidence, NONE...and the real killer is closer to the little girl then they want to believe. :AddEmoticons04230: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted June 22, 2011 Author Posted June 22, 2011 It will be interesting to see what they call evidence in this case. As much as I agree with Inspector that it is very often the family who did the deed, if this couple was involved in child porn, then Ellah Joy could have been killed by accident or because she was going to blow the whistle. Child porn rings nowadays are known to put kids to sleep to pose them nude in sleeping positions, so drugs or chloroform might have been used and it went wrong. Right now it is anyone's guess, but it would be nice if the family gets justice, but only if the real guilty parties are the ones who end up being punished. Ellah Joy Pique kidnap-slay case: Panel finds cause to charge couple The three-man panel formed by the Provincial Prosecutor’s Office to look into the evidence presented on the kidnap-slay of six-year-old Ellah Joy Pique has found prima facie evidence against Bella Ruby Santos and her British boyfriend Ian Charles Griffiths.This was bared yesterday by Acting Provincial Prosecutor England Joseph Berciles.He said that the panel found reason to charge Santos and Griffiths for kidnapping with homicide. He, however, said that he is still going to review the recommendation of the panel and will have his recommendation in three days.“I have to review their findings whether or not probable cause really exist, if there is, then I have to approve the resolution but if no probable cause, I have to make another resolution of reversing the recommendation of the panel,” Berciles explained.Furthermore, he said after the resolution of the case will be out each party will be given 10 days to file a motion for reconsideration or a petition for review to the Department of Justice (DOJ).The rest of the story can be read HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 Well it now seems that not only has she sold her Pajero, but she also sold her house and might decide to disappear because of no longer having ties to any community. I wonder if those of you who think she is innocent, think selling a car and a house in an area where she is well known and the neighbors seem to stick up for her, are the things an innocent person would do, yet I guess she may need the money for all those 6 lawyers that she has hired to defend her?Pique case: Santos challenges elevation of caseHe added based on the declaration of Santos that she sold her controversial Pajero and her house in Barangay Inayagan, Naga City, she may go into hiding.“There is a possibility that Santos will hide as she sold her vehicle and house and all we have to do is to monitor the whereabouts of Santos and to account on her word of not hiding,” Dela Cerna said.According to reports the house of Santos was bought by a businessman who paid P6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Support Old55 Posted June 28, 2011 Forum Support Posted June 28, 2011 Well it now seems that not only has she sold her Pajero, but she also sold her house and might decide to disappear because of no longer having ties to any community. I wonder if those of you who think she is innocent, think selling a car and a house in an area where she is well known and the neighbors seem to stick up for her, are the things an innocent person would do, yet I guess she may need the money for all those 6 lawyers that she has hired to defend her?Pique case: Santos challenges elevation of caseHe added based on the declaration of Santos that she sold her controversial Pajero and her house in Barangay Inayagan, Naga City, she may go into hiding.“There is a possibility that Santos will hide as she sold her vehicle and house and all we have to do is to monitor the whereabouts of Santos and to account on her word of not hiding,” Dela Cerna said.According to reports the house of Santos was bought by a businessman who paid P6 million. Santos and her boyfriend are both low life's but I have no idea if they are guilty of that poor child's murder. However they have been vilified in the press and clearly not getting fair treatment by the incompetent police.Frankly I don't think there is any real evidence or case. Frankly we don't know why she sold those items it could be in order to have a large war chest to defend herself or buy off the police.I'm also starting to think the police have something to hide. Could they honestly be that incompetent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garpo Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) There are many things in this case that still make me very uncomfortable in saying that they have the right people. As far as selling the vehicle and her house, it would certainly not be the first time that somebody had to sell everything they owned just to pay for a good attorney which is even more compounded when you are dealing in the Philippine courts that for reasons we all know does nothing without money being exchanged between many sets of hands. As far as experts and the police, well that is in most cases two totally different sets of people. The evidence from the computer and any other digital evidence would be located and recovered by a computer forensic expert. If there was a child porn website or even if they were making child porn cd's then it is very easy for this data to be recovered, even if it has been deleted and or reformatted. The only way you can ever really get rid of digital evidence is to totally destroy the storage drive or disk and even then it can sometimes be recovered if all of the pieces of the storage can be recovered and put back together, much like a jig saw puzzle. I question this evidence as Ihave not seen anything about cameras or editing tools that they would have to have. Also I would suspect that in cases like this after one victim is located then many more tend to come forward, even if it is just a parent or two that questioned why their child or children were at a stranger’s house. If this couple were in fact in to child porn then it would have been for their own gratification and not money because there would also be a money trial as payment to child porn or any other type of web site is done over the internet and thus leaving e-trade evidence. Other forensic evidence like DNA from blood, hair, car seats, bed sheets, etc. etc. would all be conducted by a forensic lab,sometimes run by police but more often is by independent labs that will do the work for any and everybody that will pay their price. Even in the OJ Simpson murder case, the foremost forensic expert (Henry Lee) testified for the defense. Most murder cases these days are solved and convictions obtained by way of forensic evidence which so far I have seen none of in this case. But, that being said, it is often the case where police and prosecutors do not release information on all of the evidence they may or may not have. This is actually a good policy and one that is often not used by the Philippine criminal justice system. Evidence should be presented in the courts and not to the media who usually don't understand it and very seldom know how to report it accurately. While I do see some things that lead me to believe that they have the right people, I certainly see no smoking gun and other possible leads and suspects should be investigated, mostly close family members which it is true are usually the ones that commit this type of crime. It certainly does not look like an intentional murder to me and if I was to guess and go with my gut instincts, Iwould say that it was an accident and a fair attempt at a cover up by somebody that was well known by this girl and most likly her family. I will also go out on a limb an guess that if they have the right people than either the male or the female will role over and say the other one was the one that did it. Edited June 29, 2011 by Garpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Hello Garpo,You have made some strong points and to some degree, you also added some strong counter points to balance out many theories. I shall try to list them with my own comments, which are based on my favorite columnist Ramon Tulfo of Philippine Daily Inquirer:1. "dealing with the Philippine courts" -- in many cases, especially the court of appeals, vast amounts of money is exchanged among the hoodlums in robes. No surprise there -- it's the norm rather than the exception.2. Local and NBI police investigations, including forensic have a history of shame. Remember that another European and his wife was initially detained as the chief of police bragged that they have solved the case quickly. He didn't even apologize to the innocent coupleas they were finally released. And now they went after this certain SUV (based on eye witnesses) with someone altering one letter of the licence plate to satisfy police suspicion and eventual arrest. To this date, I haven't read any news about forensic evidence that wouldincriminate them. Possibly the SUV was sterilized already as the first couple was being investigated and later released. A botch policework, just like the hostage crisis which killed Chinese tourists on that bus a couple years ago. Recently, another major screw up made the headlines again with the Hubert Webb case. How about that US naval officer killed at Manila International??3. The smoking gun? A prime example of that is the Ampatuan massacre. Many physical evidence and eye witnesses but yet the courtsystem is still dragging their feet. Additionally -- witnesses exiled or disappearing to USA, paid off or be silenced/salvaged forever. Is there hope, that is the question -- Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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