Is The Phl And The Us Heading To War With China

[Mr Lee]

You decide. We we all have to learn to speak Chinese in the future. China undermining regional peace—DFA 06/05/2011The Philippine government yesterday accused China of undermining the peace and stability in Asia by allegedly sending naval vessels to intimidate rival claimants to disputed sections of the South China Sea. Gates vows new weapons for US role in Asia Gates warned that clashes may erupt in the South China Sea unless nations with conflicting territorial claims adopt a mechanism to settle disputes peacefully.

Edited June 5, 2011 by Kuya Lee
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[Call me bubba]

question? during the time of the US bases, ROC/china-mainland was not able to "FLEX" its strength as it had not yet had the power as it has today-2010. If the bases was still here or the American influence , would ROC/china be doing what it is today?

[ekimswish]

question? during the time of the US bases, ROC/china-mainland was not able to "FLEX" its strength as it had not yet had the power as it has today-2010. If the bases was still here or the American influence , would ROC/china be doing what it is today?

Possibly, seeing as how the US is tied up in the mid-east. Is it any wonder how North Korea got away with sinking the Cheonan ship with 40 South Korean soldiers?

[Travis]

that was 1 of my fears when living there coz I did not wish to learn to speak Chinese :( and this story sorta confirms my fears :angry: and the 1 i put in red :o http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/12716/let%e2%80%99s-be-realistic-we-can-never-beat-china Let’s be realistic: We can never beat ChinaTHE GOVERNMENT should adopt the position of former President Fidel V. Ramos on our confrontation with China over the Spratlys.Ramos says we should not be confrontational in threshing out problems with China over our claim to the group of islands off Palawan.The Cold War is over and China should no longer be considered an enemy but an economic partner, says the former President.Let’s listen to Ramos, an Army veteran who fought in Korea in the 1950s as a lieutenant. In a war with China, we would certainly lose since we have a weak Armed Forces. If we can’t lick them, let’s join them. That’s not cowardice, that’s being practical.* * *The country is reportedly shopping for arms in the US because of our confrontation with China over the Spratlys.Why don’t we just shop for more books and medicine to educate our youth and cure the sick, most of whom are poor?The country should focus more on education and health because these are more important than military might.If we buy arms, these should be limited to those we can use against bandits, insurgents and terrorists.In dealing with foreign aggression, we have the United States to rely on because of our mutual defense treaty with it.Let’s be realistic: We can never win a war against China.* * *China is already past the Cold War stage, the period in which it was supporting communist revolutions in many parts of the world.Now, its concern is to dominate the world economically, not through military power. As Ramos says, our enemy is terrorism, not communism since China has already become a capitalist country.So, let’s be partners with China in its march toward progress since we are also an Asian country.

[Art2ro]

http://www.cfr.org/china/does-china-pose-military-threat/p12901Does China Pose a Military Threat? Just a few comments I sniped from this article that makes one wonder of what if? The article maybe a few years old, but I still think the question still stands or questionable at best! March 20, 2007Richard Halloran When assessing Chinese intentions, one word springs to mind: “Miscalculation.”My experience with Chinese, either in China or with visitors to the United States, is that they are monumentally ignorant of U.S. capabilities and intentions. In Harbin several months ago, a Chinese general turned to Admiral William Fallon, then commander of the Pacific Command, and said: “You are the first American I have ever met.” The implications of that are staggering. Many U.S. commanders in recent years have quietly, out of the public eye, cautioned the Chinese not to misjudge the United States. John J. Tkacik Jr.March 26, 2007 In early March, China announced it will increase military spending by nearly 18 percent in 2007, to more than $45 billion. Experts say Beijing understates its defense budget by more than half but the proposed 2008 U.S. military budget of $481 billion still dwarfs China's. I agree with Richard that the United States has not had a real China policy since 1989. But Richard’s “Four Rudiments,” thoughtful as they are, are still simply “process” without a desired “outcome.” As the preeminent global maritime power, the United States will not permit America’s lifelines to the Pacific—“Island Asia”—to fall into the hands of “Mainland Asia.” This was true in 1950, and it is true today. This means that America must have a renewed commitment to Japan, Taiwan, ASEAN, our ANZUS allies, and the Pacific. Finally, we seek a democratic China. President Truman declared in 1945, a “strong, united and democratic China” is in “the most vital interests of the United States.” But two out of three isn’t good enough. We now have a “strong and united” China which supports tyranny, nuclear proliferation, and lawless mercantilism. This undemocratic China is a greater challenge than a weak, disunited China. Because the vast majority of Chinese now acquiesce in the regime’s domestic repression at the price of economic prosperity and national power (as was true in 1930s Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union—though without the prosperity) there is no possibility that China can democratize by itself. American leaders therefore must not legitimize the regime. BTW Welcome back Travis! How have you been? Edited June 6, 2011 by Art2ro

[ekimswish]

I don't doubt the US is the world's number one spender on weapons and the like, making it the "baddest mofo" on the planet. I just wonder how much of its budget is consumed by having thousands of soldiers stationed in Korea, Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, and EVERYWHERE inbetween? I had a friend in Seoul, Korea, who was a 21 year old soldier with a Filipina wife and son, no high school completion as I could tell, but a $3,000usd per month apartment in the heart of Seoul, aside from his actual salary. That's INSANE.... If you guys spend that much on a 21-year-old's apartment with $500/month available down the road, not to mention all the other costs of "living abroad," I'm not sure how much of your (the US's) military budget is actually spent efficiently, and how much of it is just bureaucratic puke (an insult aimed at bureaucracy; by no means the soldiers who risk their lives in service of country).

[Jake]

I don't doubt the US is the world's number one spender on weapons and the like, making it the "baddest mofo" on the planet. I just wonder how much of its budget is consumed by having thousands of soldiers stationed in Korea, Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, and EVERYWHERE inbetween? I had a friend in Seoul, Korea, who was a 21 year old soldier with a Filipina wife and son, no high school completion as I could tell, but a $3,000usd per month apartment in the heart of Seoul, aside from his actual salary. That's INSANE.... If you guys spend that much on a 21-year-old's apartment with $500/month available down the road, not to mention all the other costs of "living abroad," I'm not sure how much of your (the US's) military budget is actually spent efficiently, and how much of it is just bureaucratic puke (an insult aimed at bureaucracy; by no means the soldiers who risk their lives in service of country).

Hey guys,"For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion" -- a quote from http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States. If you read further down, Dept of Defense will be asking $700,000,000,000 plus for fiscal year 2012. Fortunately, there is a plan to withdraw troops from Iraq within the next few months but it's my believe that there will be another world crisis to content with.I strongly support formal Philippine president Ramos not to be confrontational with China and other nations claiming the oil rich fields of Spratly island group. I also believe that China, specifically their navy has no capabilities to support a major beach invasion of Philippines. Besides, Asian (especially China) and world economies would go back to the dark ages if someone makes that fatal mistake.It is my ultimate dream that someone (preferably western) would invent a consumer grade fuel cell that would eliminate our dependency of fossil fuel forever. Mother Nature simply cannot support current population growth with limited oil reserves, its polluted by-products and governments willing to go to war over a barrel of oil. What's next -- going to warfor potable water?Respectfully -- JakePS -- by the way, welcome back TRAVIS!

[Art2ro]

I don't doubt the US is the world's number one spender on weapons and the like, making it the "baddest mofo" on the planet. I just wonder how much of its budget is consumed by having thousands of soldiers stationed in Korea, Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, and EVERYWHERE inbetween? I had a friend in Seoul, Korea, who was a 21 year old soldier with a Filipina wife and son, no high school completion as I could tell, but a $3,000usd per month apartment in the heart of Seoul, aside from his actual salary. That's INSANE.... If you guys spend that much on a 21-year-old's apartment with $500/month available down the road, not to mention all the other costs of "living abroad," I'm not sure how much of your (the US's) military budget is actually spent efficiently, and how much of it is just bureaucratic puke (an insult aimed at bureaucracy; by no means the soldiers who risk their lives in service of country).

Hey guys,"For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion" -- a quote from http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States. If you read further down, Dept of Defense will be asking $700,000,000,000 plus for fiscal year 2012. Fortunately, there is a plan to withdraw troops from Iraq within the next few months but it's my believe that there will be another world crisis to content with.I strongly support formal Philippine president Ramos not to be confrontational with China and other nations claiming the oil rich fields of Spratly island group. I also believe that China, specifically their navy has no capabilities to support a major beach invasion of Philippines. Besides, Asian (especially China) and world economies would go back to the dark ages if someone makes that fatal mistake.It is my ultimate dream that someone (preferably western) would invent a consumer grade fuel cell that would eliminate our dependency of fossil fuel forever. Mother Nature simply cannot support current population growth with limited oil reserves, its polluted by-products and governments willing to go to war over a barrel of oil. What's next -- going to warfor potable water?Respectfully -- JakePS -- by the way, welcome back TRAVIS!

Yeah, I see your point! Since China doesn't have much of a Navy, I can just imagine seeing them squeezing all their foot soldiers in their ancient Chinese junk war ships and sinking half way across the South China Sea due to an unexpected typhoon and not even make it on the shores of the Philippines let alone Boracay! And yes Mike, servicemen do get paid an added allowance living overseas! Jake knows now why I served with the Air Force for 30 yrs, we had it good no matter where we were stationed!

[adventureguy]

As long as China is bailing out the US overspending with more loans for their increasing debt, don't look for the US to shoot themselves in the foot or bite the hand that feeds them.

Edited June 7, 2011 by adventureguy

[Art2ro]

As long as China is bailing out the US overspending with more loans for their increasing debt, don't look for the US to shoot themselves in the foot or bite the hand that feeds them.

If we can win a war against China and I believe we can, then the U.S. will just take over their country and not pay what we own them, deficit solved and then some! The U.S. will be the "Masters of the Universe"! All the other countries of the world will have to pay the U.S.'s "Heavy Guns of Mass Destruction" to protect them all, so, that's money in the U.S. Government's nest egg! Yeah! Probably not in my lifetime, but could be close maybe eh? Again! Edited June 7, 2011 by Art2ro