Mr Lee Posted August 27, 2011 Author Posted August 27, 2011 Mark, I guess you are saying some people do not know how to Google info, or use a phone book. My wife and I have a phone book in our home that came with the phone line, and I have called the governors office, and Cebu City Mayors office on more than one occasion, as well as other govt officials and always found their assistants all very receptive and willing to listen, and no one came to my door after I called, but for those like yourself who seem to not be able to figure out people to contact, I just Googled the governors office in about 2 seconds and came up with THIS PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR’S OFFICE2/F East Wing, Cebu CapitolTel. No.: (+6332)253-9613, (+63 32)2541882, (+63 32)254-3399 The NBI and came up with THIS TELEPHONE NUMBERS: Trunkline: 523-8231 to 38 Fax: 526-1216, 523-7414 EMAIL ADDRESS: director@nbi.gov.ph And with a little time searching for govt officials, I am sure people could have come up with THIS and then worked from there. I have emailed the presidents office of the Philippines in the past, and not long after a news article made me know that they listened to my email. The very least people can do is to at least try. If someone wants to report something and does not wish to use a pay phone, or a cell phone and sim (the easiest way), then it is quite easy to make up an email address and email the info to tons of people, of course hiding their identity before doing so (not something everyone would know how to do), or using a computer that they will never use again and on a connection that is not their own, if they do not wish to be tracked, and then if no one acts on it, then at least they tried. Many ways to at least try. Putting our heads in the sand is surely not the answer, and if everyone had the attitude that you seem to have, then most crimes would never be solved. Thank God there are some stand up citizens who are willing to go the extra mile for justice to be done. Not every govt official wishes the Philippines to be made a fool of, or that foreigners be charged with crimes they did not commit. Some might even wish to have a good relationship with other countries, so if given the info correctly, and the info also (CC'ed) given to the country of the person being charged when a foreigner is involved, just possibly someone might wish to get the fame that helping to put the correct person away might give them. I will wait for all this to play out and then we shall see what we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markham Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 My wife and I have a phone book in our home that came with the phone lineLee, you are rather lucky to have a phone book! In the three plus years I lived on Cebu, none of the properties I rented came with a phone book even though they all had landlines connected. And yes, I did ask my landlords to provide one; but they never did. I do have a phone book in Davao and although it is for 2010/2011, many of the numbers listed that I've tried are incorrect - and that's for Government departments and major companies here. But your general point is one that I agree with. Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted August 27, 2011 Author Posted August 27, 2011 OK HERE is a post I made back in May that has a phone number of a Hot Line. I have no idea if it works or not, but if someone has info on a serious crime, then it might at least be worth trying.That number - 0906 306 3889 - is, I believe, one means of contacting "Called to Rescue" which is an INGO dedicated to helping child victims of trafficking. It is (probably) not a general crime reporting hotline and I rather doubt that even if one called it to report a suspect in murder case, that they would even be capable of handling it. There is no 911 service in Cebu as there is in Davao, so tell us, what number would YOU call to report a crime anonymously - and have it acted upon? It is very easy to say that you can contact an "action reporter" or the Governor's Office - if you know the right people and their phone numbers. Most people don't. Mark Not to insult you Mark, but this attitude seems to prevail in most of your posts. That number was put there to report child exploitation crimes, so are you trying to say that they would not be interested in a crime which may have started out as child exploitation and ended in the death of a young girl. :bash: My guess is that if given a juicy bit of info, that possibly they might just know where to send it. Anyway that number is just one number, one might try contacting all the newspapers and surely one might wish to take up the battle. Here is a link to a list of many of the Philippine newspapers, and by doing a google of each writer and the papers, I am sure some numbers will be found. Again, it is better to at least try, than to hide ones head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted August 27, 2011 Author Posted August 27, 2011 My wife and I have a phone book in our home that came with the phone lineLee, you are rather lucky to have a phone book! In the three plus years I lived on Cebu, none of the properties I rented came with a phone book even though they all had landlines connected. And yes, I did ask my landlords to provide one; but they never did. I do have a phone book in Davao and although it is for 2010/2011, many of the numbers listed that I've tried are incorrect - and that's for Government departments and major companies here. But your general point is one that I agree with. Mark Did you ever bother to walk into PLDT and ask them? Anyone with a phone bill can get a phone book, so once again, it is easier to say I can't, than to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markham Posted August 27, 2011 Posted August 27, 2011 Did you ever bother to walk into PLDT and ask them? Anyone with a phone bill can get a phone book, so once again, it is easier to say I can't, than to do it.Lee, you own property here and have a landline in your name. Many Expats aren't so fortunate, they rely on their cellphones. But I think Ron (RetiredNavyGuy) has expressed a view that is not untypical of many Expats'. They don't want to get involved in what they perceive to be a corrupt and unjust system. There's also the likelihood that an anonymous tip-off will be disregarded unless the tipster is prepared to give a written statement whereupon his anonymity ceases. Your views are idealistic and, dare I say it, clouded by First World thinking. IMHO, of course! Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 Your views are idealistic and, dare I say it, clouded by First World thinking. IMHO, of course! Mark Or maybe I just do not have a do nothing attitude that it appears some others may have. You forget that I have seen some pretty heroic people testify against the worst of the worst, full well knowing they might be putting their lives and their families lives in jeopardy, yet they stepped up to bat because they knew the alternative of letting killers go was worse. I testified against people who threatened myself and my family and would do it again every time. I do not fault anyone for not wishing to get too involved while in a foreign country, but I do call those who make no attempts whatsoever foolish, because the next crime victim may be them or their loved ones. Once the snowball rolls, it gets bigger all the time, so what happens when God forbid it is your child that gets killed, or a member of your wife or gf's family. Doing nothing is dead wrong. So to those of you who refuse to get involved, do you really expect Filipinos to get involved if someone robs or kills you, I guess if the shoe was on the other foot then you would hope they would, and I would bet the father of that child also prays others will get involved, of course that is if he is not the one who killed Ellah Joy, as inspector seems to feel. Anyway all, you get in life what you give, so only do what you would wish others to do for you, and if your choice is nothing, then do not expect more from others. Now as for me forgetting that not everyone owns, if your landlord supplies a phone, then ask him for the bill and take it to PLDT or Globe and get a phone book. And if not then go to an internet cafe and look up the numbers online, and if you do not know how to work a computer, ask someone who does. Doing nothing, or saying you do not know how to find numbers in this day and age, is just a cop out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredNavyGuy Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Okay, I've had it! Please note that I DID indicate that I would try to get the information to the authorities, but it would have to be anonymously. Geez! I would be more than a little hesitant and no, its not me. Let's see, deal with the PNP who gives the impression that any foreigner who is still breathing might be a good suspect, or with the real culprits - or more likely, the business end of a gun hired by them. ...and there isn't even a witness protection program in the Philippines, not that its all that successful in the US. Wow! What a tough choice! Sorry Lee, but if I couldn't get the info into the right hands without my name being attached to it, then that info would go to the grave with me. My dying, trying to bring justice to Ella Joy, wouldn't bring her back. Just raise the body count. Not willing to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lee Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 Okay, I've had it! Please note that I DID indicate that I would try to get the information to the authorities, but it would have to be anonymously. Geez! I would be more than a little hesitant and no, its not me. Let's see, deal with the PNP who gives the impression that any foreigner who is still breathing might be a good suspect, or with the real culprits - or more likely, the business end of a gun hired by them. ...and there isn't even a witness protection program in the Philippines, not that its all that successful in the US. Wow! What a tough choice! Sorry Lee, but if I couldn't get the info into the right hands without my name being attached to it, then that info would go to the grave with me. My dying, trying to bring justice to Ella Joy, wouldn't bring her back. Just raise the body count. Not willing to go there. Robert, I also noted that people should do something, not that anyone had to contact the authorities directly, so I am not directing my anger at you because of what you wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garpo Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Something to remember here! If a person has critcal information on an unsolved murder case and they do not provide that information then it is possible that they could be facing criminal charges also. I agree with Lee in that anybody with information should share that info. There are many different ways to provide the information and it is not correct to say that if you provide information then you will have to testify or give a formal statement. The information can just help point the investigator in the correct direction. In any investigation, there is much more information that is reviewed, investigated, and found to be of no use, than information that is actually good and can be used as evidence. The problem here is that from what I see, the investigators don't know how to tell the difference between the good and bad information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hounddriver Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 IMHO anyone who sits on real evidence is a coward So, if its such a good thing, why do the following words have such a negative connotation in English speaking societies: Whistle Blower, Rat, Squealer, Tattletale . . etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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