Rh Bill Benefits Poor Mothers

[Mr Lee]

Other than from a religious POV, I feel RH would be a win win for the poor and for the country, so I cannot understand why anyone would be against it, but maybe I am missing something? Why would anyone want to ban the use of contraceptives? MANILA, Philippines — Mothers in indigent communities would greatly benefit from the passage of the Reproductive health (RH) bill now being debated in Congress by getting better access to modern family planning methods.Sen. Pia Cayetano, chair of the Senate committees on health and demography and youth, women and children, stressed this point during heated plenary debates on the bill.Citing different names and cases of women, Cayetano said many of them would want to avail themselves of contraceptives from local health centers but could not do so as many local government units (LGUs) have passed ordinances banning use of contraceptives The complete article HERE

[Jollygoodfellow]

I doubt if a resolution to this problem will come for a long time,yes the Philippines needs to do as the rest of the modern world does in terms of contraception.The Benefits out weigh the bull put forward. The population can not continue to expand as the country and its people can not afford it so put the church in the wake up mode and take a loss of earnings for the benefit of the common people instead of a commercial interest and a 1920's approach to life.I am going out on a limb here but the damn church makes its followers suffer because its business not faith and worship. Can someone ban me as I might go off my nut here as I am tired of all the bull that goes on which is only there to serve a purpose for the greedy. :lol:

[Old55]

Overpopulation is near or at the tipping point in Philippines things will get ugly soon if Filipinos don't stop having children they are unable to support. But even more to the point the country is unable to supply with food and water the present population.I'll refrain from commenting on the Catholic Churches steak in this subject.

[Jake]

I doubt if a resolution to this problem will come for a long time,yes the Philippines needs to do as the rest of the modern world does in terms of contraception.The Benefits out weigh the bull put forward. The population can not continue to expand as the country and its people can not afford it so put the church in the wake up mode and take a loss of earnings for the benefit of the common people instead of a commercial interest and a 1920's approach to life.I am going out on a limb here but the damn church makes its followers suffer because its business not faith and worship. Can someone ban me as I might go off my nut here as I am tired of all the bull that goes on which is only there to serve a purpose for the greedy. :lol:

Yeah, I'm with you Boss. I believe there is a law regarding the separation of church and state.But a good number of politicians are in bed with certain religious leaders for endorsementsduring re-election campaigns. One hundred million is the projected number within the next5 years and a substantial percentage of that will be at poverty level. There's goes the neighborhood -- Jake

[Call me bubba]

Overpopulation is near or at the tipping point in Philippines things will get ugly soon if Filipinos don't stop having children they are unable to support. But even more to the point the country is unable to supply with food and water the present population.I'll refrain from commenting on the Catholic Churches steak in this subject.

My lack of a Comment/Silence is my support for this issue, as i do not want to be bannedsince my feelings may seriously offend some, as others would not,( a read between the lines statement) :)

[Steve & Myrlita]

Myrlita & I are "Born Again" not Catholic. That being said, even though I'm a Christian and a foreigner and have no rights to speak on an RP political subject, I fully support the passage of the RH bill. While I only believe in abortion under dire circumstances, I feel it is the private choice of the woman & her husband / BF, not ours or the government's or the Catholic churches business. This country can't even support the population it already has and the Catholics want more that families can't feed, cloth, and educate? I could see if they had pledged to help all the children & families in dire straits but they don't and won't. They just want their money from the very families that can't provide for them now. As for contraceptives being illegal? Give me a break please. Most of these unplanned children would not be here if they (contraceptives / Birth Control) were allowed. As someone once stated, "The Vatican and The Philippines are the only two places on this planet that outlaw contraception in all forms. Funny, I can't find in my Bible where it says not having children is against God. Yes I know this is touching the no-no borders and I'm sorry but you guys brought it up. I just responded. TY. God Bless.....

Edited August 27, 2011 by Steve & Myrlita

[Jake]

I am going out on a limb here but the damn church makes its followers suffer because its business not faith and worship. Can someone ban me as I might go off my nut here as I am tired of all the bull that goes on which is only there to serve a purpose for the greedy. :)

Yeah, I was classified on paper as Catholic when I was born. Later I was "reborn" againwhen I had the opportunity to visit Vatican City in Rome. My first impression was sheeropulence (lavishness) of their own private army (Swiss guards), men in flowing robes andpriceless antiquities stolen, raped and pillaged by the Roman Crusaders. Yeah, it's big business back then and even now. What ever happen to humbleness? Respectfully -- Jake

[MikeB]

I have never seen nor imagined so many pregnant women (and girls) as I have seen here. Yesterday I passed an obviously very poor family of about 8 who were hauling bags of something to do god-knows-what-with and one of the young girls who couldn't have been more then 13 or 14 (at most) was obviously very pregnant. I wondered to myself what kind of life will that child have. It's impossible to discuss the RH bill without bringing in religion and politics which are verboten here. This article details some of the concerns, not the least of which is their distrust in their government to do anything right.

[ekimswish]

Just a theory, but an interesting one that actually has some merit. I recently read that book, "Freakonomics," in which they credit abortion laws in the 70's with the drop of crime in the mid-90's. As the theory goes, while the crime experts in the early 90's were predicting an armageddon type crime boom in the late 90's, many of the children most likely to commit those crimes (unwanted children born to poor and addicted single mothers in slums) were never born. Hence, right when they WOULD HAVE come to crime committing maturity in the mid-90's, they were nowhere to be found. Everyone credited more effective policing and other government policies, but maybe the battle was won 20 years earlier with Roe V. Wade. That was just a theory about crime and abortion. It wasn't meant to encourage abortion as a crime fighting strategy. Anyways, I don't think the population is unsustainable. Look at Taiwan, where I live now! It's 23 million people on an island smaller than many Canadian lakes, at 400km top to bottom and 100 wide. When you travel along the west side of the island, it's non-stop cities and towns all the way down. The mountains in the middle make most of the island (70%) practically uninhabitable. The problem with the Philippines isn't that there are too many people to squeeze into such a small collection of tiny little islands. The problem is education. What happens when you educate girls and encourage them to become doctors and lawyers and whatever else they want to be? They usually put off having a family until they've accomplished their goals. They don't need someone to tell them having a baby will throw a monkey wrench in their plans; they can see that for themselves. It's when they have little to look forward to, or have not been encouraged to set high goals, that they settle on some good looking kid who MIGHT be able to take care of her and their brood of kids. If the Philippines could ever focus on education, like Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, or Singapore, they would have no problem with their population. The other thing is, I've read that Taiwan, Korea, Japan, HK, and Singapore are actually going to be hurt economically by not having enough babies. The article dubbed them "toothless tigers." Maybe having so many babies could actually help the Philippines one day economically, if they were educated properly and became faithful and obedient (not to mention capable) consumers of products - with jobs to pay for those goods.But we all know this: education won't happen as long as this place remains as corrupt as it is, and the church is a big part of that.

[Dave Hounddriver]

If it wasn't for poor families having babies 20 or 30 years ago there would be a lot of foreigners without wives today and a lot of western families with no maids and businesses with no foreign workers. I think any life those kids have is better than the alternative. Ask any of them if they would rather have never been born. Maybe thats why they go to church. God says he loves them and people say they should never have been born. Hmmmm. Edit: I am speaking against abortion not contraception. Each individual can decide when he or she is ready to try to make a baby but when you make decision OR a mistake, then you stands up and does the right thing, even if that means giving baby up for adoption,

Edited August 28, 2011 by Dave Hounddriver